Re: who has the,problem here, really?

[Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>]

John,

On 2009-03-13 11:00, John C Klensin wrote:
...
> As usual, there are edge cases in which the author may have
> obtained most of the rights needed but _still_ believe that
> there are some plausible claimants out there (or may have gotten
> one rejection when the request was made).  I do not believe
> those situations should lead to a demand that submitting authors
> identify every Contributor, their contributions, and the status
> of their rights grants to the IETF -- that would just be too
> burdensome for its value.   It is partially consideration of
> those mixed cases --something that the WG never, as least as far
> as I can remember, actively considered-- that leads me to
> believe that the original conclusion was incorrect, i.e., that
> the responsibilities for going around gathering up releases and
> licenses and then guaranteeing that everything had been found
> should be transferred to authors as a condition for document
> posting.

We largely agree. The idea that authors/editors can reasonably
be expected to give such a guarantee is untenable in the general
case. The issue seems to be whether they (and as Harald rightly
insists, persons helping them) can reasonably be expected to do
so in straightforward cases, or whether we just forget about
it and stick a red flag on any draft containing old material.

    Brian