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Re: who has the,problem here, really?

And 5378 did not change the text rights we give people in general. Yes, it changes the rights we can give people. But it does not change the rights that we normally give. They can extract, but not modify.
There was no discussion that I recall in the WG, other than the transfer of document maintenance, of wanting to grant third parties additional rights to the text of the document. 

Yours,
Joel

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

Joel,

I carefully didn't say "code". I said "text".

    Brian

On 2009-03-13 10:24, Joel M. Halpern wrote:

Except that the lawyers have concluded that the earlier rules were
sufficient for us to allow code usage as described in 5377.
So that can not be the reason for doing 5378.
Joel

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

On 2009-03-13 08:02, Scott Brim wrote:
...

This is an interesting idea.  Or even better, push it outside.  I'm
being a little impatient here but I've been taught to ask who has the
problem here, really?  It's the people who want to use the work
outside of the IETF. 
That's correct, and it's quite clear that ultimately there is no
way out of that. However, the case made during the IPR WG discussions
was that it isn't just the 1 in a thousand case of handing off a standard
to another SDO that matters. It's any case where a 3rd party wants to
use text for any purpose, such as commenting a piece of code or
writing a product manual. That's why, IMHO, a reasonable effort as
described in draft-carpenter-5378-old-text is a reasonable thing to
require. To my mind that is the main discussion point here.

   Brian
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