Re: who has the,problem here, really?

[Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>]

Quite correct, but the issue is getting uniform rights for new
and recycled text. What the Trust does with those rights is
another matter entirely.

     Brian


On 2009-03-13 15:30, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> And 5378 did not change the text rights we give people in general.  Yes,
> it changes the rights we can give people.  But it does not change the
> rights that we normally give.  They can extract, but not modify.
> 
> There was no discussion that I recall in the WG, other than the transfer
> of document maintenance, of wanting to grant third parties additional
> rights to the text of the document.
> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> Joel,
>>
>> I carefully didn't say "code". I said "text".
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>> On 2009-03-13 10:24, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>>> Except that the lawyers have concluded that the earlier rules were
>>> sufficient for us to allow code usage as described in 5377.
>>> So that can not be the reason for doing 5378.
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>> On 2009-03-13 08:02, Scott Brim wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> This is an interesting idea.  Or even better, push it outside.  I'm
>>>>> being a little impatient here but I've been taught to ask who has the
>>>>> problem here, really?  It's the people who want to use the work
>>>>> outside of the IETF.  
>>>> That's correct, and it's quite clear that ultimately there is no
>>>> way out of that. However, the case made during the IPR WG discussions
>>>> was that it isn't just the 1 in a thousand case of handing off a
>>>> standard
>>>> to another SDO that matters. It's any case where a 3rd party wants to
>>>> use text for any purpose, such as commenting a piece of code or
>>>> writing a product manual. That's why, IMHO, a reasonable effort as
>>>> described in draft-carpenter-5378-old-text is a reasonable thing to
>>>> require. To my mind that is the main discussion point here.
>>>>
>>>>    Brian
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