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Re: [Iptel] [Sipping] draft-mahy-iptel-cpc



Title: draft-mahy-iptel-cpc
It does NOT meet the USA needs, if the ITEF says f''you, then we ......


From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) [mailto:drage at alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:26 PM
To: DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS; Sumit Garg; iptel at ietf.org; sipping at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Sipping] draft-mahy-iptel-cpc

My understanding of the cpc work in iptel is that is currently held pending the approval of the internet draft defining the approval regime for tel URI parameters. I believe the current status of this is to make the approval of tel URI parameters standards track required, although that could have altered - not in a position to look it up currently.
 
Which brings us to the next issue in that I understand that at least some of the TISPAN people want to use this as a SIP URI parameter as well as a tel URI parameter. These are two distinct sets of parameters and therefore a tel URI parameter does not automatically become a SIP URI parameter.
 
Is this so? Are there any indications which we want to be able to use with SIP URIs as well as tel URIs.
 
regards
 
Keith
 
 


From: sipping-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of DOLLY, MARTIN C, sbcuid
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:15 PM
To: Sumit Garg; iptel at ietf.org; sipping at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Sipping] draft-mahy-iptel-cpc

Sumit,
 
For as long as the values are clear, this approach would be acceptable.
 
Martin


From: sipping-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sumit Garg
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:09 PM
To: iptel at ietf.org; sipping at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Sipping] draft-mahy-iptel-cpc

I agree with Ian, we should avoid multiple parameters.

The way a lot of stuff is done in tel-uri might be useful….

 

We would only  need 1 parameter:  i.)  user-type=<cpc/oli-values>

                Renamed to user-type as we do not necessarily tie it to originating side…..we might find other needs in the future.

 

For the current scenario, the number itself would help the implementation decide whether it is CPC/OLI.

A global number inherently has a country code which would help decide the valid values (cpc/oli)

Otherwise the phone-context could be used to decide the same.

 

For implementations which use neither..i.e. for which context is implicit…they would implicitly know whether  it is cpc/oli.

 

-Sumit

 

 

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw

From: Ian Elz [mailto:ian.elz at ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:10 PM
To: DOLLY, MARTIN C, sbcuid; Sumit Garg; iptel at ietf.org; sipping at ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Sipping] draft-mahy-iptel-cpc

 

Martin,

 

I saw you email with the list of values.

 

I was not proposing to remove the values but to combine them into an extended list which encompassed both OLI and CPC. ANSI does not use CPC to any extent while ETSI/CCITT uses CPC for the same purpose as ANSI uses OLI.

 

An expanded combined single parameter may be suitable for all the required values.

 

If you look at what is proposed by 3GPP you will see that it is proposed to reduce the different CCITT operator CPC values by using ‘language’ in Accept-Contact. There may be options to use similar techniques to enable all the OLI values to be handled correctly.

Ian Elz

System Manager
DUCI LDC UK
(Lucid Duck)

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