Re: [RFC 4861] upper-layer reachability confirmation
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Re: [RFC 4861] upper-layer reachability confirmation
Hi, Sebastien and Vlad.
Thanks for your inputs.
Well, I will get in flexibility of ND.
But having said that,
my concern was also that the Redirect is the same layer in ND,
as Vlad said.
Regards,
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:57:57 -0400
Vlad Yasevich <vladislav.yasevich at hp.com> wrote:
> Sebastien Roy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:06 +0900, Yukiyo Akisada wrote:
> >> I have a question about upper-layer reachability confirmation defined in RFC 4861.
> >>
> >> When the neighbor cache state for the default router is STALE
> >> and the host sends a packet to off-link,
> >> the default router sends redirect packet to the host.
> >>
> >> Can the host considers that the default router is REACHABLE?
> >>
> >> Personally, I didn't expected this behavior.
> >> But I found that an implementation behaves like this
> >> when I'm developping the conformance tester.
> >>
> >> How do you think about this behavior?
> >
> > That seems reasonable to me. The host sent a packet to the router, and
> > the router responded with one of its own which was received by the host.
> > This is bi-directional reachability.
> >
>
> It's reasonable as long as the implementation doing so can correctly identify
> that it sent the packet triggering the redirect. If thFrom ipv6-bounces at ietf.org Tue Jun 24 22:56:48 2008
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From: Yukiyo Akisada <akisada at tahi.org>
To: Vlad Yasevich <vladislav.yasevich at hp.com>, Sebastien Roy
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Subject: Re: [RFC 4861] upper-layer reachability confirmation
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Hi, Sebastien and Vlad.
Thanks for your inputs.
Well, I will get in flexibility of ND.
But having said that,
my concern was also that the Redirect is the same layer in ND,
as Vlad said.
Regards,
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:57:57 -0400
Vlad Yasevich <vladislav.yasevich at hp.com> wrote:
> Sebastien Roy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:06 +0900, Yukiyo Akisada wrote:
> >> I have a question about upper-layer reachability confirmation defined in RFC 4861.
> >>
> >> When the neighbor cache state for the default router is STALE
> >> and the host sends a packet to off-link,
> >> the default router sends redirect packet to the host.
> >>
> >> Can the host considers that the default router is REACHABLE?
> >>
> >> Personally, I didn't expected this behavior.
> >> But I found that an implementation behaves like this
> >> when I'm developping the conformance tester.
> >>
> >> How do you think about this behavior?
> >
> > That seems reasonable to me. The host sent a packet to the router, and
> > the router responded with one of its own which was received by the host.
> > This is bi-directional reachability.
> >
>
> It's reasonable as long as the implementation doing so can correctly identify
> that it sent the packet triggering the redirect. If the impleme implementation
> can do so, it can assume bi-directional communication.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't consider this upper layer indication, since Redirect
> is not strictly upper layer.
>
> -vlad
>
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> can do so, it can assume bi-directional communication.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't consider this upper layer indication, since Redirect
> is not strictly upper layer.
>
> -vlad
>
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