Re: Node Requirements: Issue 14 - Privacy Extensions
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Re: Node Requirements: Issue 14 - Privacy Extensions



That would be better, I agree.

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Tim

On 29 Jul 2009, at 12:33, Dave Thaler <dthaler at microsoft.com> wrote:

Tim's wording is better but still uses the word
"connections" which implies TCP to many readers, and hence
I prefer "communication".

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From: ipv6-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Tim Chown
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:24 AM
To: Thomas Narten
Cc: john.loughney at nokia.com; ipv6 at ietf.org; Brian E Carpenter
Subject: Re: Node Requirements: Issue 14 - Privacy Extensions

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:06:45PM -0400, Thomas Narten wrote:

That said, I generally like Brian's proposed text:

I agree.

  In such situations, RFC4941 SHOULD be implemented. In other
cases,
  RFC4941 provides limited or no benefit.

One possible tweak on the last sentence, how about:

    In such situations, RFC4941 SHOULD be implemented. In other
    cases, such as with standalone servers, RFC4941 provides limited
    or no benefit.

How about - to avoid the 'server' terminology turning it around to say:

     In such situations, RFC4941 SHOULD be implemented.  However, if
     the node is not expected to initiate connections, or the
potential
     tracking or correlation over time of such connections is not a
     concern, RFC4941 provides limited or no benefit.

  It is
  noted that a number of applications do not work with addresses
  generated with this method, while other applications work
quite
  well with them.

More to the point, there was (at the time) and (probably) still is
today some controversy as to whether the above statement is actually
correct. There have certainly been anectdotes to the effect that
privacy addresses don't work well in some cases (because they aren't
in the DNS properly), but I am also quite sure that the reverse DNS
is
not well populated generally, so its unclear how real an issue that
is
in practice. (For example, those of you that travel a lot will likely find that often the "local" hotel address you are given is not in the
DNS.)

It's not just reverse DNS issues.   For example I recall a
videoconferencing
app that used multiple connections initiated in different directions
between
two participating hosts.   Between v4 hosts the code assumed a single
global
address was used between peers, and that worked, but when ported to
support
v6 it failed due to attempts to connect back to the observed privacy
address
of the remote peer failing because a firewall hole only existed to talk
to
the peer's 'static' global v6 address.  I suspect similar 'referal'
issues
may happen in other cases.

--
Tim
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