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I've hacked up the secshell draft to fix the issue with respect to the need for a consistent tmSecurtyName. If nothing else, I think this discussion has been a good one because it's highlighted that the tmSecurityName must be consistent for the life of the session and we didn't state that clearly in the -14 draft. It was roughly stated in the text in some obscure ways that I'm not at all sure that implementations would have gotten it right. Here's a URL for the diffs (obviously: ignore the not-relevant changes introduced by date changes, etc): http://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=http://www.hardakers.net/temp/draft-ietf-isms-secshell-14.txt&url2=http://www.hardakers.net/temp/draft-ietf-isms-secshell-15wes.txt -- Wes Hardaker Sparta, Inc.