[Json] 2-step proposal 4627bis + I-JSON

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Wed, 03 July 2013 23:46 UTC

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Subject: [Json] 2-step proposal 4627bis + I-JSON
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I look forward to hearing what path Pete suggests through the thicket.
Here’s one that I think is plausible:

1. Do a 4267bis along the lines of the minimal-work proposals. It describes
JSON as she are spoke (wildly successful), changes as little as we possibly
can, documents the areas of interoperability breakage (dupes, surrogates,
top-level primitives), whacks the  regex in the security section, uses
SHOULD in the manner that Pete suggested is perfectly kosher. Declare
victory!

2. Recharter in a way that will allow us to produce something like a
strawman I cooked up, I-JSON: https://www.tbray.org/tmp/i-json.html
Produce something like that. Second victory!

 -T