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Re: [ltans] Concrete examples of long-term archiving



On 8/12/2011 8:25 AM, Istvan Zsolt BERTA wrote:

Dear Todd,

2011.08.10. 15:13 keltezéssel, todd glassey írta:
In Hungary, the authentic long-term archival of electronically signed
documents is included in the e-signature law. Aside qualified CAs, we
also have qualified archiving service providers.

Is there a Design Specification available?

What do you mean on Design Specification? We have the archiving service listed in our e-signature law, and this law prescribes the requirements a qualified archiving service provider must fulfill.

There is an English version here:
http://www.docshare.com/doc/199777/hungary
yes!

Our authorities also released some 'guidance' on the technical requirements and policy requirements, but I think they are going to be superseded by the recently released ETSI specifications:

ETSI TS 101 533-1 Information Preservation Systems Security; Part 1: Requirements for Implementation and Management
http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=31009

ETSI TR 101 533-2 Information Preservation Systems Security; Part 2: Guidelines for Assessors
http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=34232

http://pda.etsi.org/exchangefolder/ts_10153301v010101p.pdf

This is really funny - it was written by Engineers and not Audit professionals. Its the problem with all of the ETSI Guidance about time and evidence as far as I can tell.  

What actually is UTC?
Look for instance at A.10.10.6 - the Clock Synchronization. I bet most of the engineers who wrote this have no idea what UTC is. I mean they know it comes from the BIPM but the have no idea how the UTC values are computed or when they are computed.

For instance I DONT MEAN THIS AS A NASTY COMMENT - but I bet the LTANS group (as a whole)  generally doesn't know that UTC is a computed value which is produced in arrears of the moment that it is actually stated to represent.  The problem is that most of the NTP team don't know this either.

UTC is not a notice of now then but rather an instance in time which will be (or was) agreed to by a group of Metrological Wizards when the Circular-T work is completed and the next UTC time fixing is completed.  In fact most all have no idea that the instant in the now which we think of as UTC is actually the last instance of UTC + some number of Atomic Second of incremental time.

The actual UTC instant is derived from the log data submitted monthly (and that is the key concept here - monthly) by the 55 Master Timing Laboratories who participate in the generation of Schedule-T... So here is how it works - the master timing labs all submit the last months timing data to the BIPM's CIPM and the UTC team then queries IERS.ORG and a couple of other entities and poof - about thirty (30) days later - they declare a UTC timing fixing for a point in time which functionally was probably about 50 to 60 days ago...

What's funnier is how spoofable GPS or even basic NTP is... these are the highly reliable transports talked about in the ETSI guidance excerpt which follows:
-----------------------------------------------------
A.10.10.6 Clock synchronization
Long Term Preservation specific controls:
  1. The IPSP shall have in force an auditable procedure, based the outcomes of the Risk Assessment, ensuring that all the applied time references, in relation to the IPS, are reliably fetched from a trusted UTC time source and maintained unaltered throughout the entire IPS.
  2. All IPSP time references shall be UTC based, e.g. "UTC+1, "UTC+2", etc., to make it possible to reconcile all of them to a consistent chronology.
  3. The IPSP shall ensure that all logging records express the time in a unique manner, even when the IPSP systems are located in different time zones.
NOTE: This can be achieved either by synchronising all IPS related systems on the same time zone or by
explicitly stating the systems time through UTC based notation (e.g. "UTC-6").
-----------------------------------------------------
What that means is in the world of Metrology there are time-frames about what and when in the UTC process which no one sees. So how does this affect long term document storage? - Simple the timestamps need to be rewritable.


None of these requirements go into details like prescribing certain formats, etc.
Which is why zI pushed back to hard against the ETSI methods - they also were written by people who refused to put practice statements into them meaning they are functionally worthless. OK not worthless but pretty close. Look no use guidelines means they are incomplete standards since they leave it up to the end users to come up with their own operating models. This was always the issue with any IETF models - they simply dont come with "you use it this way" documentation which would constrain the design and its use fully.

Regards,

István





The Hungarian Chamber of Notaries is running an archival project since
2007. Certain classes of notarial deeds are archived electronically.
The notary creates the notarial deed on paper, scans it (as PDF),
signs it with her qualified electronic signature and sends it to the
archives (our company is a qualified archiving service provider, we
run these archives). A few million notarial deeds are archived this
way currently.

Notaries create their signatures in XAdES-A format, and in the
archives these signatures are archived in an LTANS ERS -like format.
We do not use ERS because when our system was started, ERS RFCs were
not available yet, but our logic is very similar to ERS.


Electronically signed documents are also used (and archived) in
context of the Hungarian registry of businesses. If you want to found
a company in Hungary, you need to turn to a lawyer, and your lawyer
submits the necessary electronically signed documents to the business
registry court. The judge at the registry court also creates an
electronically signed resolution.
Lawyers are required to archive these electronically signed documents,
e.g. using a qualified archiving provider. This system also involves
millions of documents, but only a small fraction of them is archived
currently. (There are already certain resolutions that were not
archived properly and their timestamps expired. They are problematic.)


Unfortunately I have very little written information on this in
English (our English website is rather just a placeholder):

http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2007efpe.pdf (of year 2007)
http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2011efpe.pdf (of year 2011)
http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_archiving
http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_firm_registry

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask, and I shall do my
best to answer.

Regards,

István






2011.08.04. 18:21 keltezéssel, Martin Augusto G. Vigil írta:
Hi,

I am a PhD student and I have been working on a survey on long-term
authenticity and proof of existence. I have found many solutions
(e.g. ERS, Patricia Trees, etc), projects (e.g. ArchiSig, Prokopius,
HP's Content Integrity Service) and even acts (Sarbanes-Oxley Act,
Directive 2001/115/EC) but few real life examples in which long-term
archiving is required and was already used.

May someone point some concrete examples?

Kind regards, ---- Martín A. Gagliotti Vigil Technische Universität
Darmstadt Cryptography and Computer Algebra Hochschulstraße 10 64289
Darmstadt, Germany Room: S2/02 B216 Tel.: +49 6151 16-5416





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