RE: [Ltru] [psg.com #1033] Written Spoken Signed

["Debbie Garside" <debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk>]

Randy Presuhn wrote:

> I have some questions, from the perspective of matching.  How would I
> specify:
> (1) I am willing to receive web content in Yiddish if it is spoken, or
> written 
> with Latin script, but not signed or in its "suppressed" Hebrew script?

Each linguistic entity has its own 4alpha representation, as well as its
parent 4alpha representation.  In addition, each entity has a level code
which designates "Language" "Written Language" "Spoken Language" "Signed
Language".  Therefore, you can search for the two relevant 4alpha
representations.  There would be no suppressed script; Yiddish in Hebrew
script would also have a 4alpha representation which can be included or
excluded from your search.

> (2) I am willing to receive web content written in Gothic (either its
> native
> script, or its "suppressed" latin script), but not spoken or signed?

Again, search for the correct 4alpha representations.

> (3) I am willing to receive web content in German or any of its dialects
> if
> written, but only "standard Hochdeutsch" or "Mannemerisch" if spoken, and
> not
> at all if signed.


For this next one I hope I have understood you correctly... please remember
I am not a linguist :-)

Slightly different, in this case you would choose the 4alpha representation
for written_German and all children (remember the parent 4alpha
representation is available for each entity) but NOT "written_standard
Hochdeutsch" and NOT "written_Mannemerisch" (if I undertand you correctly).
You would also include the 4alpha representations for spoken "standard
Hochdeutsch" and "Mannemerisch" in your query.  Signed would not be returned
unless you asked for it specifically or at language level (umbrella). 

Regards


Debbie



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ltru-bounces at lists.ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces at lists.ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Presuhn
> Sent: 12 June 2005 04:46
> To: LTRU Working Group
> Subject: Re: [Ltru] [psg.com #1033] Written Spoken Signed
> 
> Hi -
> 
> (as a technical contributor)
> 
> > > From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk>
> > > To: <ltru at ietf.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 6:16 PM
> > > Subject: [Ltru] Written Spoken Signed
> > ...
> > > An issue has been raised on the IETF with regard to the principle of
> > > language tags for written, spoken (and signed) to be registered
> distinctly
> > > as opposed to an "umbrella" tag that was perhaps designed initially
> for
> > > written but is now being used to cover all.
> > >
> > > As the draft for ISO 639-6 currently supports separate tags for these
> -
> > > language, written_language, spoken_language, signed_language - perhaps
> it
> > > would be prudent to incorporate some text and a mechanism within
> 3066bis to
> > > support the registering of such specific tags.
> > >
> > > Personally, I believe that in the future there will be a real need for
> > > differentiating between them; it can only enhance archival and
> retrieval
> > > processes.
> ...
> 
> I have some questions, from the perspective of matching.  How would I
> specify:
> (1) I am willing to receive web content in Yiddish if it is spoken, or
> written
> with Latin script, but not signed or in its "suppressed" Hebrew script?
> (2) I am willing to receive web content written in Gothic (either its
> native
> script, or its "suppressed" latin script), but not spoken or signed?
> (3) I am willing to receive web content in German or any of its dialects
> if
> written, but only "standard Hochdeutsch" or "Mannemerisch" if spoken, and
> not
> at all if signed.
> 
> I clearly understand the rationale for making the signed forms distinct,
> and
> why there is value to representing that in the language tag.  It seems
> that
> the "spoken" form would, if we represent it at all in a language tag, be
> simplest
> if handled like just another script.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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