[Ltru] FW: tags for written or spoken content, was Swiss german, spoken

["McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald at sharplabs.com>]

Hi,

Many people may have seen this note from Tex Texin to the
IETF Languages list, but I cross-post it here, because it
points out a fundamental IETF last call vulnerability for
the Language Subtag Registry, to whit, that the _entire_
justification for shoehorning 'script' between 'language'
and 'region' is the overwhelming focus on traditional
uses of language tags for _written_ content.

The entire (unloved) "Suppress-Script" stuff attempts to
minimize the damage in the real world (now and in the 
indefinite future) of the 'script' interloper.

A much cleaner solution remains to push 'script' back where
it belongs in medium-neutral language tags --> after the
'region' code.

And I think that bending 'script' to include spoken (as
Randy speculated somewhere recently?) is just awful.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no]On Behalf Of Tex Texin
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:44 PM
To: Michael Everson
Cc: ietf-languages at iana.org
Subject: tags for written or spoken content, was Swiss german, spoken




Michael Everson wrote:

> The tags with we are concerned assume some sort of orthography.



Well, the tendency has been to associate tags with writing since so much
of computer content is written, and so it is mostly written material
that software developers tag.

However, rfc 3066 says: 

"The language tag always defines a language as spoken (or written,
signed or otherwise signaled) by human beings for communication of
information to other human beings."

so orthography is not a requirement and in fact, this tendency to
(incorrectly I believe) presume writing, is one of the reasons I
objected to "script" being placed between language and region in
3066bis. As we tag more multimedia, the emphasis on writing is falsely
placed. Unless we want to have a separate tagging system for audio...

tex
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