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[Ltru] Re: W3C tag policy disclaimers and IETF RFCs



r&d afrac wrote:

> You probably know better why there is a W3C disclaimer.

No, when I wrote "maybe" I was guessing, and when I said
"if you're curious ask him" I meant it, literally.  See
<http://mid.gmane.org/42CBAAE0.3060309 at hpl.hp.com> for
the complete thread, it was with the other tag: author.

> I object you want to impose it to me who do not want it.

If you don't like 3066bis language tags don't use them.

All language tags I'm personally interested in (on my
Web pages) have a Suppress-Script: Latn.  From my POV
nothing changes, I can even keep one en-GB-oed.

Why should I join you and try to derail a draft allowing
scripts for those who need it ?  All problems in the old
draft as far as I could identify them are fixed.

I'm not at all interested in private-use language tags:
Do what you like and hurt nobody.  If that "restricts"
you to letter-digit-hyphen and at most eight letters or
digits before the next hyphen laugh about it, use UTF-8,
encode it with base-64, insert hyphens, ready.

"Jefsey insists on some funny private tags" would be
SmVmc2V5IGluc2lzdHMgb24gc29tZSBmdW5ueSBwcml2YXRlIHRhZ3M=
resulting in:

x-SmVmc2V5-IGluc2lz-dHMgb24g-c29tZSBm-dW5ueSBw-cml2YXRl-IHRhZ3M

Okay, case sensitive won't work, so find the RfC about
base-32, or roll your own encoding scheme.  If you're
lost take hex. 0123456789ABCDEF and insert hyphens after
eight hex. digits.

If length doesn't matter percent-encode it replacing all
"%" by "-".  If that's not good enough for whatever you
want check out Dublin Core or similar activities.

> What is wrong is when the standard favors a commercial
> implementation and blocks others or open source projects.

The proposed standard favors KISS and compatibility with
existing 3066 implementations.  Apparently the latter is
irrelevant for you, in that case you're free to propose
whatever you like.  Obviously not more related to LTRU -
see the WG charter - but if you find new and interesting
applications for the future registry ignoring the syntax
for combined tags, just do so.

After all that's exactly what we did here, combined stuff
found elsewhere to 3066bis tags.  You're free to use the
3066bis subtags in completely different ways.  Or free to
ignore them if they don't do what you want.

> I wish I am sure your next free OS box is free of locale
> related patented features.

Software patents in our part of the world are meaningless.

Has somebody really patented locales ?  I hope they catch
him before he hurts himself or others, he needs medical
care in a closed environment.

>> Of course the result will be something W3C and Unicode and
>> ICU can live with, and it will be also something IMAP, MIME,
>> etc. can live with.  That was the purpose of this LTRU WG.

> But not AFRAC?

No idea, I don't know what "AFRAC" is and what it does.  That
doesn't mean anything, I also have no clue about IMAP, I only
trust that Ira, Ned, or Bruce would tell us if we try something
that won't work with IMAP.

So far all you told us about "AFRAC" was that it distributes
CD ROMs mirroring IANA registries, and we calculated that the
maximal registry size after the addition of 7000+ languages
(= 3066ter, not more 3066bis) could be about 500 KB and still
fit on your CD ROM.

So yes, we also considered that aspect, overall registry size.

We also considered that I really hate to download big files
with my V.90 line.  But 500 KB is okay.  And if it gets worse
somebody will offer split views on the language tag registry:

Maybe you or AFRAC offer a whois server, query = tag, reply =
corresponding subtag entries in the complete registry.  Bye



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