[Ltru] Re: Liaison with TC37/SC2

[Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>]

Debbie Garside wrote:

> If only it were that simple.

Okay, apparently I'm alone with the idea that this is only
about LTRU, which will be history soon if all goes well.

Above the WG level it's either the applications area, or
the complete IETF.  We've already discussed this on the
language subtag review list (but that was about ISO 3166):

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.languages/2479>

Country codes normally aren't IETF territory - somebody
from ICANN is apparently trying to represent the Internet
at large in the 3166-MA.  Where that page says "BSI" they
might talk about you, and where it says DIN I'd refuse to
acknowldege that this person represents my interests just
because of a "D".

For scripts I found the pages hosted by Unicode, and for
obvious reasons that needs no formal relationship (Doug,
did you see that there are two new scripts, announced on
the Unicode list?)

That leaves 639-x as far as the language subtag registry
is concerned.  And LTRU can't be the counterpart you're
looking for.

What do you think a liaison with the applications area
or with the complete IETF could do ?  RFC 4052/4053 are
apparently limiting that to "forward document", "receive
document", and "say 'thanks'".

And then the person on the IETF side of things needs to
know which WGs might be affected / interested, and post
the received info on their list.  For that part it helps
to know which WGs exist and what the *meep* they're trying
to do.  Some former or active ADs and WG Chairs probably
know this (e.g. Harald or Scott).

> Liaison would be tasked to work in the interests of the
> IETF at ISO level, in particular with regard to the
> updating of standards and designing of new standards.

I guess we can strike "area", what you have in mind is at
the IAB level, and that's far away from LTRU (ignoring all
minor obstacles like a consensus recognized by Martin or
Randy).

And what's "the interests of the IETF" wrt 639-x, and why
should the IAB dare claim to represent these interests ?
Some "candidates" for that task are busy with IDN and EAI
[and the IETF desperately needs them there, not elsewhere]

> There is lots going on at WG level that IETF should have
> knowledge of.

I'm lost what that might be, but I'd know where to find it
if it's from the W3C:

<http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.announce>

The IETF announce list is too busy to read it completely:

<http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.announce>

In the weeks before an IETF meeting there can be 20 I-Ds
announced per day.  You could filter it, skip all I-Ds,
read only IESG and RFC-editor announcements, with that you
get still all RFCs, IETF last calls, new WG charters, etc.

You could also read the IETF journal published by ISOC,
but that's about the past, the last issue some weeks ago
is state of the art IETF 66 (= four months ago):

<http://www.isoc.org/ietfjournal/>

If some part of ISO responsible for 639-x (or more) has
something similar please post an URL (text or HTML if
possible, no PDF or DOC horror shows... ;-)

Frank



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