Re: [Ltru] Re: Registry deltas

["Mark Davis" <mark.davis at icu-project.org>]

We need to reach consensus on this. I see two basic options.

A. Allow inverted names with commas, but otherwise no commas (outside of parentheticals). For consistency, also invert all the other names that could reasonably be inverted.
ALLOW: Description: Ambae, West

REPLACE Description: Naga, Maring
WITH Description: Naga; Maring

REPLACE Description: Northern Sotho
WITH Description: Sotho, Northern

B. Disallow inverted names.
REPLACE: Description: Ambae, West
WITH: Description: West Ambae

REPLACE Description: Naga, Maring
WITH Description: Naga; Maring

Note: I think the suggestion to uniformally use ";" as a separator between different names is a good one, so I've done that with both options above.

I did a quick & dirty dump of all description names containing ",", and toke a shot at how option B would look for the 5% or so of the cases. These are just my initial take -- that's the problem with the current names, they are a hodgepodge when it comes to this issue!

FIX THE INVERSION

Slavic, Church    =>    Church Slavic
Greek, Modern    =>    Modern Greek
Frisian, Northern    =>    Northern Frisian
Frisian, Western    =>    Western Frisian
Ndebele, North    =>    North Ndebele
Ndebele, South    =>    South Ndebele
Sotho, Southern    =>    Southern Sotho
Arára, Pará    =>    Pará Arára
Abnaki, Eastern    =>    Eastern Abnaki
Abnaki, Western    =>    Western Abnaki
Acipa, Eastern    =>    Eastern Acipa
Pashayi, Northeast    =>    Northeast Pashayi
Arrernte, Eastern    =>    Eastern Arrernte
Achí, Cubulco    =>    Cubulco Achí
Achí, Rabinal    =>    Rabinal Achí
Agta, Isarog    =>    Isarog Agta
Agta, Central Cagayan    =>    Central Cagayan Agta
Agta, Remontado    =>    Remontado Agta
Alta, Southern    =>    Southern Alta
Agta, Mt. Iriga    =>    Mt. Iriga Agta
Aizi, Tiagbamrin    =>    Tiagbamrin Aizi
Aizi, Mobumrin    =>    Mobumrin Aizi
Aizi, Aproumu    =>    Aproumu Aizi
Altai, Southern    =>    Southern Altai
Amami-Oshima, Southern    =>    Southern Amami-Oshima
English, Old    =>    Old English
Apache, Jicarilla    =>    Jicarilla Apache
Apache, Kiowa    =>    Kiowa Apache
Apache, Lipan    =>    Lipan Apache
Apache, Mescalero-Chiricahua    =>    Mescalero-Chiricahua Apache
Apache, Western    =>    Western Apache
Alta, Northern    =>    Northern Alta
Arrarnta, Western    =>    Western Arrarnta
Atta, Pudtol    =>    Pudtol Atta
Atta, Pamplona    =>    Pamplona Atta
Altai, Northern    =>    Northern Altai
Acipa, Western    =>    Western Acipa
Awyu, South    =>    South Awyu
Awyu, Central    =>    Central Awyu
Awyu, Jair    =>    Jair Awyu
Awyu, Edera    =>    Edera Awyu
Arára, Mato Grosso    =>    Mato Grosso Arára
Armenian, Middle    =>    Middle Armenian
Ayta, Sorsogon    =>    Sorsogon Ayta
Ayta, Bataan    =>    Bataan Ayta
Ayta, Tayabas    =>    Tayabas Ayta
Amuzgo, San Pedro Amuzgos    =>    San Pedro Amuzgos Amuzgo
Amuzgo, Ipalapa    =>    Ipalapa Amuzgo

CHANGE TO SEMI-COLON

Yi, Sichuan    =>    Yi; Sichuan
Ayta, Ambala    =>    Ayta; Ambala
Agta, Camarines Norte    =>    Agta; Camarines Norte
Ayta, Abenlen    =>    Ayta; Abenlen
Malay, Ambonese    =>    Malay; Ambonese
Adi, Galo    =>    Adi; Galo
Tibetan, Amdo    =>    Tibetan; Amdo
Amis, Nataoran    =>    Amis; Nataoran
Amuzgo, Guerrero    =>    Amuzgo; Guerrero
Arapesh, Bumbita    =>    Arapesh; Bumbita
Asmat, Casuarina Coast    =>    Asmat; Casuarina Coast
Asuriní, Xingú    =>    Asuriní; Xingú
Asmat, Yaosakor    =>    Asmat; Yaosakor
Manobo, Ata    =>    Manobo; Ata
One, Molmo    =>    One; Molmo
Gbe, Ayizo    =>    Gbe; Ayizo
Atta, Faire    =>    Atta; Faire
Nahuatl, Highland Puebla    =>    Nahuatl; Highland Puebla
Kayan, Busang    =>    Kayan; Busang
Birifor, Malba    =>    Birifor; Malba
Pahari, Mahasu    =>    Pahari; Mahasu
Bareli, Rathwi    =>    Bareli; Rathwi
Chin, Bawm    =>    Chin; Bawm
Béte, Guiberoua    =>    Béte; Guiberoua
Bété, Daloa    =>    Bété; Daloa
Bareli, Pauri    =>    Bareli; Pauri
Itneg, Banao    =>    Itneg; Banao
Sorsogon, Masbate    =>    Sorsogon; Masbate
Karen, Pa'o    =>    Karen; Pa'o
Ayta, Mag-Indi    =>    Ayta; Mag-Indi
Kanuri, Bilma    =>    Kanuri; Bilma
...

NOTE
As I was doing this, I saw the following. It may be perfectly fine, but it looks a bit suspicious, especially since there are a bunch of "Atga" entries with different modifiers. Could this be a spelling error?

Agta, Mt. Iraya 

Mark

On 10/9/06, Martin Duerst <duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp> wrote:

[co-chair hat off]

At 02:22 06/10/03, Mark Davis wrote:
>Overall, I think inverted names are a bad idea. They are rather anglocentric, and we find that translators often do the wrong thing with them. They are also hugely inconsistent in the current registry.
>
>I think they are tolerable if (a) every single instance of a comma indicates an inverted name, and (b) all names are consistently inverted. Because of (a) one could programmatically fix the names to the correct value.

I don't think creating artificial syntax rules or some
kind of restricted (English) grammar for Description fields
is appropriate. What I can immagine is that we use semicolons
rather than commas to indicate boundaries between input
from different origins.

Regards,    Martin.



#-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
#-#-#   http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp        mailto:duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp

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