For what it's worth, I have been involved in various liaisons (including one to the IETF) when I was at W3C. For the liaison between IETF and W3C, there was a regular teleconference (roughly 3 times a year). For another liason, the one between W3C and ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2, I prepared and sent in some liaison reports, usually before they had a meeting, but I never managed to attend a meeting, and this was not necessary. Also, there was a mechanism that we had mutual access to otherwise confidential documents. That was easier than in the case we are looking at now, because both sides had a way to keep things confidential, which we as a WG don't. The exchange of confidential information wasn't a problem because confidentiality is explicitly designed to allow exchanges of information if this is necessary for common or related work. Regards, Martin. At 18:11 06/10/14, Debbie Garside wrote: >I don't think Randy is correct and my nomination stands! It is useful to >have someone there on the ground BEFORE decisions are made. > >Given that I have some experience of this particular SC and WG I can say >Doug would not be out of his depth at all. It is my opinion that the >knowledge Doug has of the RFC's in question wood be invaluable to this SC. > >As to travel, join ANSI. One would hope that, like BSI, they would support >travel expenditure. > >Best >Debbie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Ewell [mailto:dewell at adelphia.net] >> Sent: 14 October 2006 07:47 >> To: LTRU Working Group >> Subject: [Ltru] Re: Liaison with TC37/SC2 >> >> Marion Gunn <mgunn at egt dot ie> wrote: >> >> > Might I suggest that, as Sue-Ellen (of ANSI, who used to be an ISO >> > colleague of mine) is an American and SIL (RA for 639-3) >> also American >> > and ISO/TC 37/SC 2 already has an American Chair, we propose some >> > person(s) born in some other country less under the influence of >> > current US foreign policy in re territorial/linguistic designations >> > and more eager to respect more diverse opinions (excluding Austria, >> > because either 639-1 or 639-2 - whichever! - already has an >> Austrian >> > RA, which only supports the other to be under LOC_US control)? I >> > propose this as someone with an ever-growing number of >> US-born friends >> > who feel embarrassed by this irrational and totally >> unnecessary push >> > towards monopoly and who would rather much rather operate >> > professionally in a freer, less unequal atmosphere (where >> nobody can >> > blame any one country, especially _their_ native country, >> for errors - >> > and who could blame anyone for desiring that?). >> >> Well, now. >> >> First of all, I am flattered and honored by Debbie's >> nomination, but I am probably going to have to decline it for >> two main reasons: >> >> 1. I have no experience as a liaison, and no prior formal >> working relationship with, or membership in, an ISO SC or WG. >> While everyone has to start somewhere, I think this >> particular project should benefit from a liaison with some >> experience, not a trainee. >> >> 2. I have no travel budget, and no realistic hope of getting one. >> >> I'm willing to be convinced that each of these is negotiable, >> and not a show-stopper. I'm guessing that item 1 is going to >> turn out to be negotiable, and item 2 isn't. >> >> Now about this American thing. >> >> Completely disregarding the issue of me personally, I'm >> deeply disappointed that national origin is being considered >> a criterion for choosing a liaison. I would have thought it >> was about as important as eye color, or left-handedness >> versus right-handedness. >> >> I was not aware that being American-born prevented one, a >> priori, from being "eager to respect more diverse opinions." >> Perhaps there are some who do see it that way. >> >> I certainly wouldn't consider myself a slave to U.S. foreign policy. >> People who know me well know my objections to the current >> administration's foreign policy and the aggressive, bullying >> way it enforces it. I suppose it is that aggressive stance, >> combined with misplaced stereotypes, that makes some >> non-Americans think we all support our administration. >> >> As for "US foreign policy in re territorial/linguistic >> designations," it hadn't occurred to me at the time that >> there was such a thing. I guess the State Department's >> preference for "Burma" and "Burmese" over "Myanmar" is a >> statement of sorts about their opposition to that country's >> current leadership. I don't know what that has to do with >> the liaison position. I've never advocated changing an >> internationally recognized, ISO-approved language, script, or >> country name in the Registry to better suit U.S. policy. >> >> I tend to think of the Internet and WGs like this as true >> melting pots, where I can work with someone for months or >> years without regard for their race, age, national origin, >> blood type, shoe size, etc. I thought we had gotten past the >> days on this list of questioning someone's motives or >> abilities on the basis of what country they were born in or >> live in. I do not think I would automatically consider an >> Irish person unqualified or inappropriate to be a liaison >> simply because they were Irish. >> >> I note in passing that I was nominated by a European. >> >> I don't care to pursue this distasteful topic further. Let's >> find a liaison everyone in the WG can support, so we can have >> ready access to the documents we need to get our work done. >> Or, if Randy is correct and we can be assured of the >> necessary access without a formal liaison, let's do that instead. >> >> -- >> Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * >> UTN #14 http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/ >> http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html >> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ltru mailing list >> Ltru at ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ltru mailing list >Ltru at ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. 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