[Ltru] Fw: Alemanic & Swiss German

[Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com]

So should "Allemanisch" be
added to the name_in_vern parameter to make it clear that this dialect
is included? 

Maybe this helps:

A brief search on the web indicates
that Alemanic/Alemannic -- when used as a *noun* and not an adjective --
most commonly refers to the Austrian form of Swiss German. The name_in_eng
category clearly references a noun and not an adjective. I believe the
way Mark is using the term, he is referring to an adjective. 

However, the spelling "Alemannic"
seems to be far more common than Alemanic. I'm wondering if that's a spelling
mistake on SIL that I copied over assuming that resource to be authorative.
If I were submitting this application today, I would use the spelling with
two n's.

Regards,

Karen Broome
Metadata Systems Designer
Sony Pictures Entertainment
310.244.4384

Peter Constable <petercon at microsoft.com>
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12/04/2006 08:28 AM

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Subject	RE: Alemanic & Swiss German

> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-
> bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell


> Rather, the debate is whether "gsw" represents only Schwyzerdütsch
per
> se, or other "Alemanic" languages and/or dialects which
are not usually
> identified as Schwyzerdütsch, such as Swabian. 

That is not under debate. The ID "gsw" denotes precisely one
individual language, which in English is commonly referred to as "Swiss
German".

What is under debate is the name "Alemanic". It is a name used
to refer to a collection of languages constituting a genetic subnode of
Germanic. For that reason, Mark feels it is not appropriate to list "Alemanic"
as a name.

I agree with Mark on the principle, that an ID should mean one thing only:
either it means an individual language, or it means a collection of languages,
but it does not mean both.

But what is unclear to me is whether the lexeme "Alemanic" has
two distinct senses. Ethnologue indicates that the individual language
denoted by "gsw" is referred to by Germanic-speaking peoples
as "Schwyzerdütsch" within Switzerland but elsewhere as "Alemanisch".
In other words, "Alemanisch" is a Germanic name for the individual
language denoted by "gsw". That suggests the possibility that
"Alemanic" might similarly be used with the meaning of that individual
language.

If "Alemanic" is ever used with that sense, I think I can agree
with Mark that it is not commonly used as the English name for the individual
language in question, whereas it is commonly used for the collection of
related languages. Thus, I will agree with Mark that it is at best misleading
to list "Alemanic" as an English name for this individual language.


> Unless this thread has something to do with adding or changing an
entry
> in the Registry, I agree with Michael that it should be confined to
> LTRU, and will post any future comments only to that list.

This thread very much has to do with entries in the Registry and is really
out of scope for LTRU.


Peter Constable
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