[Ltru] Re: Progressing beyond borders?making subtags inclusive

[Nicholas Shanks <contact at nickshanks.com>]

On 7 Jan 2008, at 07:40, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> This is a bad start for the discussion. If you call each proposal
> "partizan", we will soon go to flame wars...

Well that's why I want someone who can be seen to be impartial to go  
through and do them all!

> > If I requested the registration of "alsatian" and not a general
> registration of all alemannic dialects, it's because I know about this
> dialect (or knows where to find information).

Well you probably know enough about the others to decide how many  
there are and give them names. It will then be up to users to pick the  
closest/most appropriate for their use case.

> > nobody has bothered to register the others.
>
> The IETF is volunteer work.

Well the standards produced are used by corporations like Sony.  
Couldn't there be a clause that public companies contribute some  
nominal fee to get things looked after professionally?
Do these standards not get adopted by the ISO, IEEE and W3C, all of  
whom have money? They could also pay someone to do a thorough job.

> > I believe that having a subtag registered is at present too
> > difficult
>
> I would partly agree (I wrote some of the texts on
> http://www.langtag.net/ because I wanted to help registration
> beginners) but only partly because registration of a subtag is a
> serious matter (once a subtag, always a subtag, there is no way back)
> and should not be done lightly.

Thanks for the URL! I will go through the registration page and see if  
I can get many UK dialects of English officially sanctioned by the end  
of this. It looks very useful for pointing beginners and not-beginners- 
but-not-experts-either at. Thanks for creating this resource :-)

> > I'm sure we can all agree on commonly recognised dialects for
> > English, as it is a first langauge for many people on this list, and
> > familiar for many others.
>
> I am not sure you properly assert the amount of work it
> means.

Perhaps not for some dialects, but surely every language has low- 
hanging fruit that all can agree on? Getting all of these would at  
least be a start.

> > For other languages compiling a list might involve asking a scholar
> > for suggestions.
>
> This would be a huge change from "Anyone can request a registration,
> if he backs his request with serious facts" from "A committee playing
> ISO-639, but without the resources of SIL". I'm note sure I would
> approve it. But, anyway, this discussion belongs to the LTRU Working
> Group.


The SIL could help. Good idea :)

- Nicholas.

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