Re: [Ltru] Preferred Values for Irregular Tags

["Mark Davis" <mark.davis at icu-project.org>]

Good points.

I miscopied for Gaulish; it looks like the Ethnolog is missing the continental branch.

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90047

xtg looks right to me for that. (For those who don't remember their cis vs trans, cis is the Italian side, and trans is the barbarian side ;-)

On zh-Min, it looks to me like nan works. (If it doesn't I think you're right that zhmin is probably a bad choice.)

Mark

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com> wrote:

>From what I'm reading on the Web -- I'm no expert in this area -- it
appears that Brythonic includes Welsh, Cornish, and Breton. Gaulish seems
to be a more specific tag.

ISO 639-3 offers:

Identifier: xcg
Name: Cisalpine Gaulish

Identifier: xtg
Name: Transalpine Gaulish

Would either of these suffice?  (Hmm. And would extlang be useful here
too?)

"oeddict" -- I might prefer "oxford" as the tag if there's not another
linguistic use for that term.

"zhmin" -- Seeing the discussion this week on this list, I'd suggest that
any tag name using "zh" is asking for a semantic mess. *In practice*, this
would be understood as Mandarin-Hokkien under current assumptions, which
doesn't make much sense.  If this is not the same as "nan", would a name
like "hokkien" be preferable?

Regards,

Karen Broome

"Mark Davis" <mark.davis at icu-project.org>

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Re: [Ltru] Preferred Values for Irregular Tags

BTW:

http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tags/i-enochian
http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tags/i-mingo
http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tags/zh-min
http://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tags/cel-gaulish

For zh-min, nan might be the best choice:

%%

Type: grandfathered
Tag: zh-min
Description: Min, Fuzhou, Hokkien, Amoy, or Taiwanese
Added: 1999-12-18
Deprecated: 2029-09-09

%%
Type: grandfathered
Tag: zh-min-nan
Description: Minnan, Hokkien, Amoy, Taiwanese, Southern Min, Southern
Fujian, Hoklo, Southern Fukien, Ho-lo
Added: 2001-03-26
Preferred-Value: nan
Deprecated: 2029-09-09

cel-gaulish

it looks like this was intended to be what the ethnologue calls Brythonic:

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=92090

So we would need a new code, or ask ISO to add one. (Having codes for the
families in the Ethnologue would be pretty handy; many exist, but many
don't.)


Mark


On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Mark Davis <mark.davis at icu-project.org>
wrote:
> With RFC4645bis, there are only a handful of cases (listed below) where
one cannot canonicalize on input and then not ever have to deal with
irregular tags. That would allow us to only have to deal with irregular
codes on input, and then never again have to handle them -- which would be
a very useful simplification.
>
> I was thinking of proposing to the languages group that we make the
following registrations:
>
>
> languages: gaulish, default, enochian, mingo, and zhmin
> variant: oeddict
>
> I wanted to run this by this group first, especially to see if there is
nothing on the horizon in 639 that we could use instead of any in the
first group (since that would of course be preferable), and if anyone else
had any thoughts on the matter.
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: cel-gaulish
> Description: Gaulish
> Added: 2001-05-25
> %%
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: en-GB-oed
> Description: English, Oxford English Dictionary spelling
> Added: 2003-07-09
> %%
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: i-default
> Description: Default Language
> Added: 1998-03-10
> %%
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: i-enochian
> Description: Enochian
> Added: 2002-07-03
> %%
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: i-mingo
> Description: Mingo
> Added: 1997-09-19
> %%
>
> %%
> Type: grandfathered
> Tag: zh-min
> Description: Min, Fuzhou, Hokkien, Amoy, or Taiwanese
> Added: 1999-12-18
> Deprecated: 2029-09-09
> %%
>
> --
> Mark



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