Phillips, Addison 2008-05-29 17.46: >> I'm one of apparently few people who truly believe the ISO >> 639-3/RA definition of "macrolanguage," and don't think of it >> as some kind of cover story. > > Since we have the direct testimony of the folks who conceived > of macrolanguage, I don't see any reason why anyone would > believe otherwise. What we have been debating is whether the > Macrolanguage concept is of use in the structure of "our" > language tags, and, if so, how (rather than the reverse). It does anyhow seem as if those who support extlang consider the Macrolanguage information generally relevant, while the other group is more sceptical about how relevant that information is. > One of the problems macrolanguage brings us is that it is *not* > just a "cover story": ISO 639-3 made an honest effort to > catalog all macrolanguages, not just the ones that are useful > to us. As a result, we have Norwegian, Serbo-Croatian, and some > others that do not play well with extlangs (and we have other > languages, such as 'zh', that complicate life without extlang). RegardingFrom ltru-bounces at ietf.org Thu May 29 12:11:36 2008 Return-Path: <ltru-bounces at ietf.org> X-Original-To: ltru-archive at megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive at core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EE73A6B3B; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ltru at core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ltru at core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A92D3A6B3B for <ltru at core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.369, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aiI6xk0HNcrt for <ltru at core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakepoint.domeneshop.no (lakepoint.domeneshop.no [194.63.248.54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18313A6B2A for <ltru at ietf.org>; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 10013.local (cm-84.208.108.246.getinternet.no [84.208.108.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by lakepoint.domeneshop.no (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4TJBMQb006837; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:11:22 +0200 Message-ID: <483EFFDA.7020401 at malform.no> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:11:22 +0200 From: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs at malform.no> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1b1) Gecko/20060724 Thunderbird/2.0a1 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Phillips, Addison" <addison at amazon.com> References: <mailman.636.1211925384.15310.ltru at ietf.org> <004d01c8c065$838b8d50$e6f5e547 at DGBP7M81> <008001c8c105$cc421820$64c64860$ at net> <001501c8c121$646ebe80$e6f5e547 at DGBP7M81> <483E14ED.6030100 at malform.no> <002601c8c13e$60217e40$e6f5e547 at DGBP7M81> <483E3D68.1080202 at malform.no> <004901c8c155$419bf560$e6f5e547 at DGBP7M81> <4D25F22093241741BC1D0EEBC2DBB1DA013A84C39D at EX-SEA5-D.ant.amazon.com> In-Reply-To: <4D25F22093241741BC1D0EEBC2DBB1DA013A84C39D at EX-SEA5-D.ant.amazon.com> Cc: LTRU Working Group <ltru at ietf.org>, Doug Ewell <doug at ewellic.org> Subject: Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami language situation as example X-BeenThere: ltru at ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list <ltru.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request at ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/ltru> List-Post: <mailto:ltru at ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:ltru-request at ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request at ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ltru-bounces at ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces at ietf.org Phillips, Addison 2008-05-29 17.46: >> I'm one of apparently few people who truly believe the ISO >> 639-3/RA definition of "macrolanguage," and don't think of it >> as some kind of cover story. > > Since we have the direct testimony of the folks who conceived > of macrolanguage, I don't see any reason why anyone would > believe otherwise. What we have been debating is whether the > Macrolanguage concept is of use in the structure of "our" > language tags, and, if so, how (rather than the reverse). It does anyhow seem as if those who support extlang consider the Macrolanguage information generally relevant, while the other group is more sceptical about how relevant that information is. > One of the problems macrolanguage brings us is that it is *not* > just a "cover story": ISO 639-3 made an honest effort to > catalog all macrolanguages, not just the ones that are useful > to us. As a result, we have Norwegian, Serbo-Croatian, and some > others that do not play well with extlangs (and we have other > languages, such as 'zh', that complicate life without extlang). Regarding "useful "useful": The entire macrolanguage catalog is useful, not only that part which encompasses languages which can be tagged with extlang. The RFC must give advice for both groups of macrolanguages. -- leif halvard silli _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru ": The entire macrolanguage catalog is useful, not only that part which encompasses languages which can be tagged with extlang. The RFC must give advice for both groups of macrolanguages. -- leif halvard silli _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru at ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
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