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Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal...



I've been thinking a bit about Addison's proposal; I've been at a
conference, and haven't had time to discuss it internally. I'll answer more
later, but one note on Shawn's approach:
We do already have a mechanism in the standard for deFrom ltru-bounces at ietf.org  Fri May 30 09:38:52 2008
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I've been thinking a bit about Addison's proposal; I've been at a conference, and haven't had time to discuss it internally. I'll answer more later, but one note on Shawn's approach:

We do already have a mechanism in the standard for dealing with equivalences, one that people already have to handle.

That is to make one of them the Preferred-Value of the other. That is, we could mandate that for all the extlang cases that we permit, like "zh-yue..." and "yue...", both forms would be valid, and one would be the Preferred-Value. That may actually be workable.

Mark

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:17 PM, John Cowan <cowan at ccil.org> wrote:
Shawn Steele scripsit:

> I would either like that, or the same thing, except where cmn and yue
> are allowed as aliases of zh-cmn & zh-yue

We have a long-standing rule of reason that says no two subtags mean
the same thing unless at least one of them is deprecated.  I'd be
reluctant to break that for the sake of supposed processing advantages,
since part of the Tao of the Internet is that the publisher never quite
knows how the reader will use the published text (or metadata).

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