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You
wrote:
> How
is it decided in ISO 639-6 what is a language and what is a dialect??? Are
there any rules since apparently ISO 639-6 deals more with
dialects?
As far
as I am concerned, ISO 639-6 deals with linguistic entities and does not
classify these as either language or dialect. I do have my own
classification system for private use but it does not form part of the
standard. The following forms the basis of my own private system as mapped
to ISO 639-6:
Phylum
Branch
Sub-Branch
Group
Sub-Group
Complex
Cluster
Sub-Cluster
Language
Written Umbrella
Written
Written Component
Spoken Umbrella
Spoken
Dialect
Variant
Sub-variant
This
enables me to query the data, for instance, I can extract all languages that are
written.
Best
regards
Debbie
Hi.
I tend to agree with Mark Davis that the
structure of tags that we have enables parsing when a variant is not
known. But I like what Peter and Debbie have worked out:
From:
"Debbie Garside" <debbie at
ictmarketing.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:51:03 +0100
>Peter wrote:
>> That might not be unreasonable. Of
course, we wouldn't need a
>> change in BCP 47 to effect that; it
might be sufficient just
>> to have a working procedure within
ietf-languages that, if a
>> variant registration comes along, then
we always look into
> the possibility of registering the 639-6 ID,
adapted as
>> needed. The most important reason to revise BCP 47
would be
>> to formalize requirements on how the ID should be
adapted
>> (e.g. requiring "6" + alpha4 -- or whatever).
>
Exactly! :-)
> Debbie
My personal feeling is that the
geographic codes are generally well-suited for handling regional variation --
so we should definitely only take regional variants of languages that
have ISO 639-6 codes on a case-by-case basis because I cannot see a long list
of subtags with all this overlapping.
I am not familiar with
ISO 639-6 but appreciate Debbie's list of English dialects (I need to go
over these sometime).
How is it decided in ISO 639-6 what
is a language and what is a dialect??? Are there any rules since
apparently ISO 639-6 deals more with dialects?
Also, will
adopting the ISO 639-6 code elements mean deprecating a number
of codes and many variant subtags (such as "Valencian")??? Or is that
still up for discussion??
Thanks.
--C. E.
Whitehead
cewcathar at hotmail.com
From:
"Debbie Garside" <debbie at
ictmarketing.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:10:31 +0100
> Doug wrote:
>> I think there are still some basic concepts to be worked out
>> since that post 2½ years ago. For example, John Cowan has
>> since suggested using 5-character variant subtags starting
>> with "6" to hold ISO 639-6 code elements, instead of using
>> the 4-letter language subtags reserved for
>> (shhhh) this purpose. That wasn't mentioned in the November
>> 2006 post, but it's something we would have to decide upon.
> Actually Peter constable suggested 5 characters some 6/7 years ago when I
> first joined the list.
> I really don't have the time at present to enter into in-depth discussions
> on the inclusion/benefits/problems of incorporating ISO 639-6 especially as
> it would appear to be an uphill battle. I would rather wait until the
> standard is published and somebody comes along and states their need.
> Best regards
> Debbie
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