[Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish]

[Marion Gunn <mgunn at egt.ie>]

Title: Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab

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Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)

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• From: Marion Gunn <mgunn at ucd.ie>
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• Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000
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As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering such a tag (rather the reverse).

mg


Scríobh ejp10:

Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.

I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :)

Elizabeth


On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:

From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <caoimhin at SMO.UHI.AC.UK>
Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish


When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog

I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it seems

that although there are official codes for:

 gv   Modern Manx
 gd   Modern Scottish Gaelic
 ga   Modern Irish
 ghc  Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
 mga  Middle Irish
 sga  Old Irish

 xtg  Transalpine Gaulish
 xcg  Cisalpine Gaulish
 xce  Celtiberian

as can be seen from the lists at:

 http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp

there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been talking to David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at the middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as the step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be appropriate to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we could find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the next

step would be for us to fill in the request form at:

 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp
 http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc

I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any comments.

Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?

Caoimhín

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