Scríobh Peter Constable:
... I think procedural issues would more likely be about
demonstrating that the user / expert community recognizes a
conventional distinction between the different varieties and that there
is reasonable consensus as to what the pertinent historical
distinctions in the evolution of Irish are.
Cheers
Peter
That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill
in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list
OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited).
mg
TC46-L at LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
From: Marion Gunn
<mgunn at ucd.ie>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000
As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years
during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46
delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if
any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with
the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní
Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37,
which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí
Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would
never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering
such a tag (rather the reverse).
mg
Scríobh ejp10:
Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The
ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the
older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be
some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted
because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.
I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of
assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise
everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart.
:)
Elizabeth
On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:
From: Caoimhin O Donnaile
<caoimhin at SMO.UHI.AC.UK>
Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish
When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog
I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it
seems
that although there are official codes for:
gv Modern Manx
gd Modern Scottish Gaelic
ga Modern Irish
ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
mga Middle Irish
sga Old Irish
xtg Transalpine Gaulish
xcg Cisalpine Gaulish
xce Celtiberian
as can be seen from the lists at:
http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html
http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp
there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been
talking to
David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at
the
middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as
the
step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be
appropriate
to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we
could
find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the
next
step would be for us to fill in the request form at:
http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp
http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc
I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any
comments.
Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?
Caoimhín