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RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
NEMO = NEtwork MObility. See
<http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nemo-charter.html> and
<http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/>.
Rob Frye
BAE SYSTEMS
CNIR
11487 Sunset Hills Road
Reston, VA 20190
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(m)571-331-2846
(e)robert.frye at baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DANIEL BYRNE [mailto:daniel.byrne at adtran.com]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:34 AM
To: Frye, Robert J (US SSA); MANET Newsgroup
Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
What's a NEMO?
-----Original Message-----
From: Frye, Robert J (US SSA) [mailto:robert.frye at baesystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:37 PM
To: DANIEL BYRNE; MANET Newsgroup
Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
This is more of NEMO than MANET, and the Access Point running in
infrastructure mode means it is not an Ad-Hoc network, even tho the
end-user nodes come & go. The only added capability MANET could provide
would be either the airplane-airplane discovery & in-flight transfer
(likely NOT what most people would want!), or intra-airplane moving
around between different sections of the aircraft with multiple APs on
board and nodes (PDAs, laptops, ...) remaining active while traveling.
For the latter, it's more likely that the airline would put a single AP
approximately mid-body to serve passengers the length of the craft.
Rob Frye
BAE SYSTEMS
CNIR
11487 Sunset Hills Road
Reston, VA 20190
(v)703-668-4520
(m)571-331-2846
(e)robert.frye at baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: manet-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:manet-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf
Of DANIEL BYRNE
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 5:19 PM
To: MANET Newsgroup
Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
MANETs on planes also open up the possibility of plane to plane
communication between passengers on passing airlines without the need of
an
intervening satellite.
-----Original Message-----
From: DANIEL BYRNE [mailto:daniel.byrne at adtran.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:55 PM
To: MANET Newsgroup
Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
Volatility is indeed possible inside the airplane as different people
log
onto and off of the network and move around the plane. MANET would be
beneficial in reducing the load on the central access point for node to
node
communications. On the WAN port, while it might not change routing
topologies, it certainly can and will on a # of transcontinental
flights.
Why not have a MANET in place handling this low frequency volatility?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Buddenberg [mailto:budden at nps.navy.mil]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:42 PM
To: DANIEL BYRNE
Cc: 'Wujciak, James (US SSA)'; MANET Newsgroup
Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
For this kind of app, MANET has little applicability or value added.
Inside aircraft. MANET is designed to handle network topology
volatility. That volatility will certainly not occur inside the
aircraft. Even if you shift back and forth from one AP to another, that
doesn't entail changing routing tables.
Outside aircraft -- the radio-WAN. While aircraft are obviously mobile
platforms, that doesn't always translate into either layer 2 or layer 3
mobility issues -- it's entirely possible for an aircraft to take off
and fly to a destination and never change routing topology at all (e.g.
remains under the same satellite footprint for the entire flight).
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 12:31, DANIEL BYRNE wrote:
> I'm just interrested in hte prospect of web browsing capabilites for
airline
> passengers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wujciak, James (US SSA) [mailto:james.wujciak at baesystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:09 PM
> To: MANET Newsgroup
> Subject: RE: [manet] New FCC Regulation
>
>
> The routing protocol (level 3) should not have issues with "safety of
> flight". The frequencies and power (level 2 & 1) used should not
> interfere with the flight systems. Now if flight critical information
is
> to be sent through a manet network, it the would have to D0-178B (FAA)
> compliant.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: manet-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:manet-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of DANIEL BYRNE
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 2:44 PM
> To: MANET Newsgroup
> Subject: [manet] New FCC Regulation
>
> Would a manet be practical on an airplane in flight? Now that the FCC
> allows wireless networks to operate on airplanes in flight, what would
> be
> the method by which the plane connects to the ground communications
> towers
> or to the sattelites? A MANET approach would allow the plane to shift
> gateway routers as it passes over different geographic regions. Also
> individual users on the plane can contribute in a ad-hoc manner with
one
> another, sharing files, movies, chatting, etc. What physical layer,
long
> haul, wireless technologies can be used to communicate with the
> sattelites
> and towers?
>
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