[martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Tue, 09 February 2010 15:49 UTC
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Subject: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI
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One of my understanding of goals for corporate VoIP systems was the ability to move a user from one PBX to another PBX without having to pay a service provider MACD (move, add, change, delete) fee. In fact, it was my demonstrating this very capability to MCI's chief engineering officer back in 1999 that got the first SIP project there funded. Let's talk through a use case: Assume Alice is working today in our building at #901 I-street, which has a PBX. Her DID number is routed to that PBX. Over lunch, her office gets moved down the street to the lab at #400 I-Street. Three cases might apply: 1) Alice moves her phone and plugs it in and it "just works", because the phone dynamically registers with the new PBX, which then dynamically registers with the SSP proxy for that DID number, effectively moving the binding from #901's PBX to #400's PBX. 2) Alice moves her phone to #400, waits until after lunch, then calls the phone support people, who manually reprovision her onto the #400 PBX. This PBX then re-registers with SSP, and her number starts working again. 3) Alice moves her pone to #400, and waits until after lunch to talk to the phone support people, who reprovision her on the PBXes and then call the SSP support people to move her DID number from #901's "trunk" to 400's "trunk". Sometime, tomorrow, her phone line starts working AND we get a $50 bill for the "change fee" from the SSP. Our original design goal favored #1, we might have accepted #2, and #3 was what we were most aggressively trying to avoid. Yet my understanding of the consensus of MARTINI is that #3 is the desired outcome. This is the difference, if I understand it, between draft-gin's "()" proposal for implicit registration and the "XXXX" proposal for explicit registration I made on-list. Why are we pushing ourselves ten years backwards in operational advances? And what happens when Alice has a WiFi phone and moves back and forth from #901 to #400 several times a day? Does she just go without a phone, or do we pay a $50 change fee each time? -- Dean
- [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Jack Burton
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Jack Burton
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Jack Burton
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Jack Burton
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Doug Sauder
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Doug Sauder
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS)
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Jack Burton
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- [martini] Middlebox needs (was RE: DID Number Mob… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Elwell, John
- [martini] Middlebox needs - asserting identity fo… Elwell, John
- [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound req… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs (was RE: DID Number… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - routing inbound r… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] DID Number Mobility and MARTINI Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Tyler Parkin
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [martini] Middlebox needs - admitting inbound… Hans Erik van Elburg