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Re: [Megaco] "IP NAPT traversal package: Update of the Remote Descriptor with the latched address information as a result of latch/relatch signal completion "
Christian,
How do we ensure that the profile update is being done to keep it in sync with the package modifications?
Thanks,
Jisu Bhattacharya
Cisco Systems
On 6/3/07,
Christian Groves <Christian.Groves at nteczone.com> wrote:
Hello Jisu,
I can't see why this is a problem. The profile itself would have to be
updated to meet the new proposal. Keepactive could be changed then.
Regards, Christian
Jisu Bhattacharya wrote:
> Miri,
>
> There is a small problem with your proposal. The KeepActive in Signals
> is not available in the ETSI_BGF profile (I've checked until version
> 1.1.4) .
>
> Table 27: KeepActive
>
> KeepActive used on signals:
>
>
>
> No
>
>
> So, KeepActive will not be usable with ETSI_BGF profile, one of the
> primary candidates for this package.
>
> Thanks,
> Jisu Bhattacharya
> Cisco Systems
>
> On 6/2/07, * Miri Epstein* <mepstein at juniper.net
> <mailto:
mepstein at juniper.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please see below.
> Sorry, but sending it as an attachment (.doc) is not possible. As
> a result, the change proposals became not clear enough.
>
> Thx,
> Miri
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> TELECOMMUNICATION
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> STUDY PERIOD 2005-2008
> STUDY GROUP 16
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> Original: English
> Question(s):
> Source:
> Juniper Networks
> Title:
> H.248.37 Amendment 1 - IP NAPT traversal package: Update of the
> Remote Descriptor with the latched address information as a result
> of latch/relatch signal completion.
>
> Purpose:
> Proposal / Discussion
>
> Problem:
> The IP NAPT traversal package does not provide the MGC with a
> method to obtain the latched address information, resulting with a
> possible ambiguity about "the address towards which packets are
> sent".
>
> Problem Description:
> The existing way for an MGC to learn about a remote destination
> address change is by the reporting of the new address and port as
> defined by the Address Reporting package (adr). This method is
> based on a Notify command being sent from the MG.
> There is a significant drawback on using only this method. The
> latched address information is not always available for MGC, for
> example, if the Notify command was lost due to a network
> disconnection or an MGC failover. In any such case, the MGC cannot
> retrieve this important information.
> In addition, following a latch/relatch event, the customary method
> of using an AuditValue command to synchronize between states of
> the MGC and the MG may result in an error. Based on the reply of
> the AuditValue, the MGC has no way of knowing whether the MG is
> still sending packets to the address appearing in the Remote
> descriptor or to the new (latched) address. In fact, the MGC might
> not even know that an ipnapt/latch signal was ever applied to the
> stream.
> Following, we analyze the possible states for a stream regarding
> the ipnapt/latch signal:
> a) When the ipnapt/latch signal is not activated, the Remote
> Descriptor represents the destination of the media packets.
> b) When the ipnapt/latch signal is activated, but no
> latching/relatching has occurred yet, the Remote Descriptor still
> represents the destination of the media packets.
> c) After the stream has latched/relatched, the destination of the
> media packets is the latched address (and port) and not the
> no-longer-valid Remote Descriptor. The ipnapt/latch signal has
> completed, so an attempt to audit the Signals Descriptor will not
> show it. This case is a new state, different from both (a) and
> (b). However, the MGC cannot distinguish (using AuditValue)
> between (a) and (c).
> This analysis demonstrates that the current approach creates a
> kind of "hysteresis" - the result of a termination's AuditValue
> does not encompass the complete gate state - but must be merged
> with past information; the previous existence of an ipnapt/latch
> signal and a received adr Notify. Also, this approach creates a
> deviation from the semantic meaning of the Remote descriptor as
> "the address towards which packets are sent".
>
> Suggested Solution:
> We suggest updating the Remote Descriptor with the latched address
> information. The SDP connection data field <connection-address>
> will hold the new address and the media field <port> will hold the
> new port. Both are updated as a result of latching/relatching.
> This permits the ordinary use of the AuditValue command with the
> Remote Descriptor, at any time, in order to get the actual
> destination of the media packets.
> This also makes state (c) above identical to state (a),
> eliminating the AuditValue ambiguity.
>
> Further Incentives, the KeepActive flag:
> Because states (a) and (c) above are indistinguishable by the MGC,
> clause 5.6.5 suggests the use of the KeepActive flag in order to
> avoid the state (a, b or c) changing following a Modify of the
> Signals Descriptor.
> This use appears inconsistent with clause 7.11 of H.248.1:
> "Signals present in the replacement descriptor and containing the
> KeepActive flag shall be continued if they are currently playing
> and have not already completed. If a replacement Signals
> Descriptor contains a signal that is not currently playing and
> contains the KeepActive flag, that signal shall be ignored."
> Therefore it would seem that even if the KeepActive flag is used,
> a Modify of the Signals Descriptor should cause state (c) above to
> revert to (a).
> This issue is avoided by having the latch completion update the
> Remote Descriptor. As the MG always sends media towards the
> address appearing in the Remote Descriptor, there is no need for a
> special mechanism for maintaining state (c).
>
> Conclusion:
> By updating the Remote Descriptor with the latched address
> information, we achieve a simple and standardized way to
> facilitate tracking and tracing changes of the destination of
> media packets.
> Also, this update makes the specialized use of the KeepActive
> signal flag redundant.
> Correspondent changes are proposed below.
>
> Change proposal against TD-35:
> [Begin Proposal]
> 5.6.2 NAPT traversal processing: 'LATCH' mode
> When the NAPT processing signal latch with parameter napt on a
> termination/stream is set to LATCH, then this results in the MG
> updating the addresses received in the RemoteDescriptor. The MG
> will use the source address and source port from the incoming
> media stream ( i.e., from the other terminations) as the
> destination address and destination port of the outgoing
> application data. The RemoteDescriptor is updated with these new
> source address and source port. Figure 2/H.248.37 illustrates this
> behaviour.
> To the figure: an additional rectangle containing "Remote
> Address=CPE1"should be inserted under the existing one (marked
> with "x")
> Latching is limited on the very first IP packet arrival event.
> Source address information of afterwards received IP packets will
> not be used for latching.
> [End Change Proposal]
>
> [Begin Proposal]
> 5.6.2.1.2 RecvOnly or Inactive before latching
> In all cases here, the initial StreamMode is supposed to be
> "RecvOnly" or "Inactive.
> There are following possibilities:
> * Underspecified RD without initial remote destination address
> information, but all other descriptor elements are available:
> Initially no packets will be sent because the destination address
> information is not available and because restricted by StreamMode
> settings. The first packet arrival event after enabling 'LATCH'
> will allow packet sending (dependent on StreamMode settings).
> * Still missing RD:
> There could be theoretically already IP packets sent after the
> first packet arrival event after enabling 'LATCH' (given that
> StreamMode settings have changed for sending). But this is
> questionable in practice due to potentially "meaningless IP
> packets" ( e.g. still missing correct media field, format list, etc.).
> The packet sending process should be therefore tightly coupled
> with RD, i.e. the availability of all required information elements.
> Initial signaled remote destination address information (in RD):
> The packet sending process will not be started as long as the
> initial StreamMode settings will not be changed to a value of
> SendOnly or SendReceive. Nevertheless, the first packet arrival
> event after enabling 'LATCH' will overwrite the remote destination
> address in the RemoteDescriptor with the latched address,
> independent of whether the H.248 signalled address information is
> equal to or unequal to the latched address information.
> [End Change Proposal]
>
> [Begin Proposal]
> 5.6.3 NAPT traversal processing: 'RELATCH' mode
> When the NAT traversal processing signal latch with parameter napt
> on a termination/stream is set to RELATCH, then the MG will
> perform a similar process to the latching process described above.
> The difference is that the MG will check for a change of source IP
> address/port on the incoming media stream. If/when a new source IP
> address and/or port are detected, then they will be updated in the
> Remote Descriptor and used as the destination address and port for
> future outgoing packets. After re-latching, any packets received
> on the old source address and port combination will be considered
> as malicious and will be treated accordingly (discarded and
> possibly counted; see sub-clause5.6.6). This is an implicit filter
> rule related to source filtering. This implicit filter conditions
> may be overruled by other, explicit filter rules as defined by
> other H.248 packages, see clause 7.
> The packet sending process in 'RELATCH' mode, before and after
> successful re-latching, has again the two dependencies on
> * available destination address information (IP DA, IP DP), and
> NOTE: Information is implicitly available after re-latching and
> may be available before the re-latching event dependent on RD
> settings.
> * StreamMode settings.
> Application of 'RELATCH' mode does not imply a previous 'LATCH'
> mode. New IP terminations may be therefore initially enabled for
> the 'RELATCH' mode by the ADD.request command.
> [End Change Proposal]
>
> [Begin Proposal]
>
5.6.4.1 <http://5.6.4.1> Recommendations for 'LATCH' and 'RELATCH'
> mode
> The generic event g/sc, associated to signal latch,
> * could be useful for MGCs which are interested in successful (or
> unsuccessful) latching occurrences,
> * but is basically not required for the application of ipnapt package.
> * If requested by the MGC, the signal completion event would be
> returned when packets are received according to the latching
> process (e.g. MG detects a packet coming from a different address
> for the particular stream).
> The signal completion event would be returned irrespective of the
> address in the RD.
> The MGC may ask for the address information the MG is using as a
> result of the latch process by usage of the adr package (see
> clause6), or by issuing an AuditValue command with the
> RemoteDescriptor.
>
> * If requested by the MGC, the signal completion event would be
> returned when packets are received according to the latching
> process (e.g. MG detects a packet coming from a different address
> for the particular stream).
> The signal completion event would be returned irrespective of the
> address in the RD. ME: this last sentence can be removed.
> [End Change Proposal]
>
> [Begin Proposal]
> 5.6.5 Usage of signal 'latch' together with signal parameter
> 'KeepActive'
> The KeepActive flag could be principally combined with signal
> latch (in new Signals Descriptor), see clause7.1.11/H.248.1. The
> KeepActive flag is required to support the following use case:
> The MGC starts the (re)latching process; and does not know whether
> the process has completed. If, later on, the MGC modifies the
> ephemeral termination signals descriptor, the MGC adds the
> KeepActive flag to avoid either turning the signal on (if it has
> already completed) or off (if it was not completed yet).
>
> [End Change Proposal]
>
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