[mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful

Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> Wed, 25 March 2009 07:06 UTC

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From: Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com>
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Subject: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful
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What an excellent BoF!

I believe that MMOX can validly claim a complete victory from the day's
events.

With so many excellent formal presentations and an astounding number of very
insightful contributions from the floor, ably mediated by very fair and
effective chairing, I think we were blessed to succeed, and we did.
Congratulations to everybody. :-)

On the substance, this will probably take many weeks of analysis, but I
would like to highlight here just one of the many insightful contributions
that were made.  (Unfortunately I cannot pin down exactly who said it.)

Splitting the work of MMOX into various implementation-oriented groups would
be an excellent way of making progress, but it carries a *severe danger*:  *it
could create several non-interoperating walled gardens*, if the groups work
independently without a common view and purpose.

While that might be better than no interop at all, it would be an
inappropriate result for a single MMOX workgroup to
*endorse*non-interoperation.  If we are to remain as one group, I
would propose that
there be an oversight team appointed as well, to ensure that sufficient
extensibility be built into each subgroup to avoid total segmentation into
walled gardens.

The requirements for this need not be onerous, as it could be achieved
through simple avoidance of all-or-nothing protocols.  As a specific example
arising from the Weblin presentation, an isolated ecosystem of Second
Life-like worlds should still be able to provide avatar data for use in
Weblin worlds, despite there being no full interop.  This could be achieved
quite simply by good decoupling of services and avoidance of service
bundling.

If we are consciously creating separate gardens, they should *not* be walled
off.  Let us work towards achieving *some degree of interop* even among our
subgroups, so that as a unified MMOX we can claim victory at the end as well
as at the start of this process.


Morgaine.

[mmox] Creating walled gardens considered harmful Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lisa Dusseault
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lawson English
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Hurliman, John
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Mystical Demina
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Christian Scholz
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… James Kempf
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… zedmaster
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Kajikawa Jeremy
[mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Larry Masinter
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Morgaine
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Larry Masinter
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] charter scope, thinking horizontally Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… James Stallings II
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Kari Lippert
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Lisa Dusseault
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Dan Olivares
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Charles Krinke
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Larry Masinter
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Mystical Demina
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Morgaine
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Jon Watte
Re: [mmox] Creating walled gardens considered har… Christian Scholz