Re: [Mobopts] [IRSG] review of draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-06.txt
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Re: [Mobopts] [IRSG] review of draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-06.txt



Hi Craig,

many thanks for your fast and highly reflective review: this will certainly trigger many reflections on our side, as well.

So we will take a bit of time to think things over again ... and then respond in detail.

Thanks again!

Kind regards,

Thomas

Rajeev Koodli wrote:

Hi Craig,

many thanks for your thoughtful review. I am sure the authors and the RG find this useful.

Regards,

-Rajeev


--- On *Tue, 3/24/09, Craig Partridge /<craig at aland.bbn.com>/* wrote:


    From: Craig Partridge <craig at aland.bbn.com>
    Subject: [IRSG] review of draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-06.txt
    To: irsg at ISI.EDU
    Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:22 AM


    I had two almost contradictory views after reviewing the document.

    The first view is that it is very well-informed and presents a lot of
    complex information well.  The second view is that it seems lost -- that
    it doesn't know what it is trying to do and where it is going.

    So, I'm comfortable seeing it published -- I think some folks will find
    it useful, but have some suggestions for how it could be improved to
    work
    as a roadmap for research/thinking about the problem of multicast
    mobility in wireless (which I think is what it aspires to be).

    Comments:

        * First, the draft should be more explicit that its focus is
          on multicast IPv6 mobility in WIRELESS environments.  You can read
          the early part of the draft and think you might be involved
          in worrying about someone unplugging from one wired network
    and plugging
          into wired network.  Particular odd is that Figure 1 clearly
          envisions wireless edge networks (single and multihop) yet never
          says wireless anywhere in the text around it..

          (Example -- "wireless" appears in the abstract but then not
          again until page 8...)

        * The document appears to be seeking to define a set of constraints
          within which a solution must appear.  I took the step of
    capitalizing
          every MUST/MUST NOT and SHOULD/SHOULD NOT in the document and
    when you
          do that the document is clearly a half-thought-out requirements
          document.  I suspect the authors would be surprised at
    themselves if
          they undertook the experiment.

          I mention it because I often reacted that the document was setting
          requirements in one spot but not another and I wondered why.

        * in section 2.1, "jointly support unicast and multicast" -- why
          not broadcast and anycast as well? (esp. as broadcast is
          near universal in wireless and anycast apparently matters)

        * in section 2.2.1, 2nd bullet, why would we enable multicast in
          a network but ban a particular multicast group from circulation?
          (Needs some more explanation here about why this happens -- it is
          a surprising restriction not mentioned earlier).

        * 2.2.2 uses the word "n-casting" in a context where it is clear
          the draft things n-casting is evil, but n-casting is never defined
          anywhere in the document.

        * 2.4 "Facing deployment complexity, it is desirable that any
    solution for
          mobile multicast SHOULD leave routing protocosl unchanged". [Note
          I capitalized SHOULD to point out the restriction here].  Why
    is this
          desired?  If we found a routing approach that worked better
    for all
          environments and supported multicast, wouldn't we prefer that?

        * 4.1 -- never mentions that wireless is inherently a broadcast
    medium
          and that there may be opportunities to exploit this feature.
          Especially for receivers, an inherently multicast medium makes it
          easier to rejoin groups (if the group is already live, you can
          immediately listen in).

    Craig
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