Re: [MORG] XLIST extension
Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi> Tue, 29 September 2009 14:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MORG] XLIST extension
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On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 01:06 -0400, Barry Leiba wrote: > > The idea is basically to find what some of those "standard mailboxes" > > are called by the server. So instead of every client using a different > > "Sent Messages", "Sent Items, "Sent", etc. mailboxes the client could > > just look up the existing mailbox from server that has \Sent flag. > > This has been proposed before. It could be done as a ListExt > extension. One question would be whether Google (and other > implementors) would switch to a standard version, if we standardized > something that's different from what they're using. My guess is that unless it's a really simple change, they wouldn't bother. > The whole point > of ListExt was to eliminate the pile of LIST variants... so XLIST, > specifically, would be a Bad Idea, because of that. I was thinking that we could simply add those \Sent etc. flags to a regular LIST reply, similar to how CHILDREN extension works. So I could simply make XLIST an alias for LIST. Then perhaps some day Gmail also supports both and XLIST can retire eventually.. Or I guess the other way would be to explicitly ask for those flags, like: LIST () "" * return (types) But if the point is to actually get this standard used, I think it would all depend on getting Gmail to do the change. And I don't really see them implementing the rest of LIST-EXTENDED, at least not in a standards compliant way.. > > The way it works now is that when client uses XLIST command instead of > > LIST command (identical otherwise), server can return these flags also > > in LIST replies: > > > > - \Drafts > > - \Trash > > - \Sent > > - \Spam > > - \Starred > > - \Allmail > > > > The first four are pretty standard used by most IMAP clients. \Starred > > is some gmail-specific I guess. \Allmail apparently could be described > > as a virtual mailbox containing user's all messages in all mailboxes. > > "Starred" is basically a virtual mailbox that collects all the > \Flagged messages from all mailboxes. And "Allmail" isn't quite all > messages in all mailboxes. It's all mail in all mailboxes *except* > Sent, Drafts, Trash, and Spam... at least as Gmail has implemented it. OK. I've really no idea what to do about making those two a standard.. > The whole idea needs more discussion.... Some time on the Hiroshima > agenda, maybe? That would be fine by me.
- [MORG] XLIST extension Timo Sirainen
- Re: [MORG] XLIST extension Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [MORG] XLIST extension Tony Hansen
- Re: [MORG] XLIST extension Barry Leiba
- Re: [MORG] XLIST extension Timo Sirainen
- Re: [MORG] XLIST extension Alexey Melnikov