Re: [Netconf] Review of draft-ietf-netconf-monitoring-02.txt
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Should we ask Bob to change his aim? Both Netconf monitoring and DSDL will need the XSD types.
Balazs
Martin Bjorklund wrote:
Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel at ericsson.com> wrote:
Sharon Chisholm wrote:
5.2 int:host schema
This should be a separate draft as many other will need it. Is
there today no XML schema for such basic stuff? Can we refer to
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd? What is the state of that?
Anyone who cares about XSD should start pushing that draft!
<sharon>
We looked at that and either it didn't meet our needs or there was
a namespace issue, either way, we couldn't use it. In general, if we
can get better data types by not deriving them from legacy
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Should we ask Bob to change his aim? Both Netconf monitoring and DSDL will need the XSD types.
Balazs
Martin Bjorklund wrote:
Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel at ericsson.com> wrote:
Sharon Chisholm wrote:
5.2 int:host schema
This should be a separate draft as many other will need it. Is
there today no XML schema for such basic stuff? Can we refer to
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd? What is the state of that?
Anyone who cares about XSD should start pushing that draft!
<sharon>
We looked at that and either it didn't meet our needs or there was
a namespace issue, either way, we couldn't use it. In general, if we
can get better data types by not deriving them from legacy
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Should we ask Bob to change his aim? Both Netconf monitoring and DSDL will need the XSD types.
Balazs
Martin Bjorklund wrote:
Balazs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel at ericsson.com> wrote:
Sharon Chisholm wrote:
5.2 int:host schema
This should be a separate draft as many other will need it. Is
there today no XML schema for such basic stuff? Can we refer to
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd? What is the state of that?
Anyone who cares about XSD should start pushing that draft!
<sharon>
We looked at that and either it didn't meet our needs or there was
a namespace issue, either way, we couldn't use it. In general, if we
can get better data types by not deriving them from legacy
d definitions then we should not be afraid to do that. I agree though
that this should be a separate document..
</sharon>
{BALAZS}: draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd is not yet ready so
it can not be legacy. Also Bob Natale indicated to me that he
intends to go on working on it, so join forces.
If I understand the intention of
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd correctly, it is supposed to
provide a direct XSD version of SMI data types. No nice-to-have types
will be defined by this spec.
For this particular type (inet:host), the best SMIv2 type we can use
is InetAddress from rfc 4001, but we can do better in XML (see e.g.
inet-types.yang :).
/martin
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ions then we should not be afraid to do that. I agree though
that this should be a separate document..
</sharon>
{BALAZS}: draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd is not yet ready so
it can not be legacy. Also Bob Natale indicated to me that he
intends to go on working on it, so join forces.
If I understand the intention of
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd correctly, it is supposed to
provide a direct XSD version of SMI data types. No nice-to-have types
will be defined by this spec.
For this particular type (inet:host), the best SMIv2 type we can use
is InetAddress from rfc 4001, but we can do better in XML (see e.g.
inet-types.yang :).
/martin
--
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efinitions then we should not be afraid to do that. I agree though
that this should be a separate document..
</sharon>
{BALAZS}: draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd is not yet ready so
it can not be legacy. Also Bob Natale indicated to me that he
intends to go on working on it, so join forces.
If I understand the intention of
draft-ietf-opsawg-smi-datatypes-in-xsd correctly, it is supposed to
provide a direct XSD version of SMI data types. No nice-to-have types
will be defined by this spec.
For this particular type (inet:host), the best SMIv2 type we can use
is InetAddress from rfc 4001, but we can do better in XML (see e.g.
inet-types.yang :).
/martin
--
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ECN: 831 7320 Fax: +36 1 4377792
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