[OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Services Management Artifacts - API vs Data Models
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From: "Natale, Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>
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Subject: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Services Management Artifacts - API vs Data Models
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Hi Andy, I've started a new thread on this topic raised by your comment on the previous thread: "I am not convinced that constraining any new high-level API for the sake of SNMP Proxy would be a popular decision." To be clear about the primary objectives I have in mind for the proposed effort: - To make the existing (and future) body of SNMP MIB data models, and consequently the instrumentation implementing them, more readily usable by the emerging breed of SOA/Web Services management tools (what you referred to as "SOA/WSDL NMS applications" in the earlier thread). - Making the data models (in the form of XML, RDF, WSDL, SML, CML, WS-Policy, OWL, etc...TBD by the proposed effort) available to those management applications has value in and of itself in a number of ways, such as: - Easier to form a unified view of services and the infrastructure supporting them - Easier to articulate, understand, manipulate, and exploit semantic relationships among those entities - Elimination of the need to understand/support ASN.1 or even the SMIv2 directly - Making the existing (and future) SNMP instrumentation available to those tools -- transparently to the tools wrt SNMP and SMIv2 themselves -- is a huge gain for: - The user community, through the elimination of the need for separate management applications for services versus infrastructure management. - The SOA/Web Services Management tool vendors, through the relatively facile expansion of managed resources which will be available to them (at comparatively little incremental development cost). - The managed entity suppliers, by extending the useful lifetime of those products (without requiring new instrumentation on those products). - Making this SNMP instrumentation available in this context would almost certainly rely on a proxy model, in which the proxy would use the SOA/WS stuff on one side and handle the SNMP interactions on the other, ideally in a many-to-many arrangement. All of that, in my view, happens w/o developing APIs...rather by standardizing the methodology for converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/WS management artifacts. That APIs can be layered on the effort to deliver even more value is beyond question -- I just don't see it as a prerequisite for delivering the kinds of value I outlined above. I would like to know your thoughts on that perspective and to better understand your own views. (By the way, I personally have a huge user community in mind that needs this solution...but I suspect it will have very broad appeal. Current SNMP-only management application vendors might feel a bit threatened by it, but I think the writing is on the wall on that one...and they might be prime candidates to provide the proxy entities, if they want to compete in that space. Disclaimer: I personally no longer have any involvement in the management product business, of any kind -- I am strictly a trusted advisor to a large user community.) Cheers, BobN _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area
- [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Servic… Natale, Bob
- Re: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Se… Andy Bierman
- RE: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Se… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- RE: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Se… Natale, Bob
- Re: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Se… Andy Bierman
- [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Servic… Natale, Bob
- Re: [OPS-AREA] Converting SNMP MIBs to SOA/Web Se… Mark Ellison