Re: [OPSAWG] [OPS-AREA] Present day reality of COPS-PR

["David Harrington" <ietfdbh at comcast.net>]

Hi,

These claims were gathered by me from co-workers familiar with
COPS-PR.
I have not checked any of the claims.

The most interesting to me are the claims of deployment in FIOS,
FT-Orange, and Comcast.
We should seek out people knowledgeable about the technologies used in
these networks, and ask about COPS-PR.
Does anybody have contacts within the IT departments of these
companies?

dbh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca at avaya.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:14 AM
> To: David Harrington; paduffy at cisco.com
> Cc: opsawg at ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Present day reality of COPS-PR
> 
>  
> (moving the discussion to OPSAWG). 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ops-area-bounces at ietf.org 
> > [mailto:ops-area-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Harrington
> > 
> > > 
> > > - there are few, if any, significant deployments.
> > > 
> > > AFAIK, there is minimal commercial or open source support.
> > 
> > I have not been able to research these claims, but I am told 
> > that COPS-PR is actually in use in a number of places. Here 
> > are some of the claims I have heard:
> > 
> > 1) Juniper uses COPS-PR for their resource allocation, using 
> > both push and pull methods, at least in the access and 
> > aggregation network. 
> > 2) COPS-PR may be deployed in the Verizon FIOS (FTTH) access 
> > network in the US.
> > 3) COPS-PR may be deployed in the FT-Orange IPTV access 
> network in UK.
> > 4) Comcast uses a mix of COPS and COPS-PR in cable TV video 
> > QoS control. 
> > 5) COPS-PR is in DOCSIS 1.0 QoS, which may still be used in 
> > cable deployments
> > 6) Huawei uses both COPS and COPS-PR in their Quidway RM9000 
> > Resource Manager and their Multi-Service Control Gateway 
> > solution (public documents show COPS, but I have not found 
> > explicit mention of COPS-PR; I am checking further)
> > 7) ITU-T has a proposal being considered that is based on COPS-PR
> > 
> > Searching the Web I found some additional information that 
> > might bear further research (many items have no associated dates):
> > 8) MultiService Forum has an Implementation Agreement for 
> > Dynamic Policy Control Using COPS-PR (2005) 
> > 
>
http://www.msforum.org/techinfo/approved/MSF-IA-COPS-PR.001-FINAL.pdf
> > 9) IEEE Xplore has a paper that apparently was presented at 
> > ICT 2008 comparing the performance of COPS-PR and Netconf. 
> > The paper might identify some equipment that has COPS-PR support.
> > 10) A 2006 paper was published in the Proceedings of the IEEE 
> > International Workshop on Policies for Distributed Systems 
> > and Networks. The paper considers substituting Netconf and/or 
> > SOAP for COPS-PR
> > 11) I found discussion of COPS-PR in JUNOSe and the SAE on 
> > the web, apparently for the SDX line (dated 2008). Was this 
> > from the Juniper acquisition of netscreen and neoteris?
> > 12) Sejong University apparently has developed a COPS-PR lite
> >
http://ietcom.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/E90-B/11/3024
> > 13) EION has an implementation
> > http://www.eion.com/protocols/protocols_traffic_cops.html
> > 14) Cisco Catalyst has an implementation
> > 15) Wireshark apparently implements it
> > 16) ACSE Networks implements COPS-PR in their NeuTrans product
line
> > 17) ZNYX Networks implements COPS-PR in the ZX4900
> > 18) libsmi implemented it
> > 19) Operax AB implemented it
> > 20) MIB Smithy implemented it
> > 21) GridNet has implemented it in its products for managing
utility
> > (power) grids
> > 22) GE apparently embeds the GridNet implementation in its 
> > WiMax SmartMeter and SmartGrid Router family of products
> > 23) COPS-PR has been the subject of a tremendous number of 
> > academic papers
> > 
> 
> There claims need to be examined carefully. We need to differentiate
> between academic papers, code implementation and deployment. It is
> probably true that a number of open source packages and tools
> implemented COPS-PR after it was put on standards track, but the
> question is to what extent this code was also used and deployed.
Same
> for the vendors implementations - was COPS-PR deployed and 
> how?  In the
> absence of standards PIBs I suspect that the majority or all the
> deployments use one vendor tools and agents, but we need to 
> give enough
> time for these vendors to step ahead and explain in case
> interoperability is impacted by the proposed standards action. 
> 
> Dan
>