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Re: [OSPF] RFC 4577 Query



Lokesh,

 

When you are running OSPF and migrating to a MPLS services, there are different options for PE-CE routing protocol. If you want to keep your OSPF transparency, then one has to run OSPF on PE-CE links. If you are running BGP then you would be exposed to dealing with external / internal route preference if there is any backdoor connectivity between the sites.

 

In the latter case in order to avoid the backdoor link between two sites to be preferred, either you have to remove the backdoor or run BGP (or any other instance) so that OSPF route over the backdoor link becomes also external and could be compared to CE advertised external route learned over MPLS cloud.

 

One can conceive that the intelligence for BGP-OSPF interaction could be put on CE and now CE could run BGP with PE without impacting OSPF transparency. There are pros and cons to this which I don’t want to debate here. We published a proposal some time back (although it was never presented / announced). You can find a link to it at

 

http://internet-drafts.osmirror.nl/draft-mirtorabi-l3vpn-igp-transparency-00.txt

 

thanks

Sina

 

 


From: ospf-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:ospf-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lokesh Jain
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:23 AM
To: Acee Lindem
Cc: ospf at ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OSPF] RFC 4577 Query

 

Hi Acee,

Thanks for the reply. I got your point.

But my doubt still remains.

Are we directly migrating from legacy OSPF backbones to BGP/MPLS VPN Backbone with OSPF on PE/CE links or earlier BGP was used on PE/CE links?
If BGP was used, then the complexity/procedures of BGP/IGP interaction (special in this case since we want to redistribute AS-External routes as Inter-area routes) defined by RFC 4577 would already be in existence. We are just moving this interaction from CE to PE to save CE from the extra effort and provide transparency.

Am I correct ?

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Acee Lindem <acee at redback.com> wrote:

Hi Lokesh,


On Mar 7, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Lokesh Jain wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In RFC 4577 it states that earlier PE-CE link used BGP but to
> provide certain advantages to customer, OSPF would be a better
> choice between PE-CE link.
> But to do that we have to modify BGP /OSPF interaction so that
> routes are distributed as inter-area routes and not as AS-External
> routes.
>
> My doubt is:
>
> In earlier scenario, CE would be running an instance of BGP and
> some other IGP, say OSPF. In that case also the routes distributed
> in a customer VPN site would be AS-External routes and not inter-
> area routes. How was that handled in previous case? Or is it the
> just the case of moving BGP/OSPF interaction from CE to PE?
>
> Please guide me regarding this. I must be missing on some point here.

The point is for an ISP to provide a transparent Layer 3 VPN service.
If the CE is forced to handle all the complexity of the BGP/IGP
interaction, this is hardly transparent. RFC 4577 mostly succeeds in
this goal and is widely deployed.

Hope this Helps,
Acee


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