RE: [Pana] Re: Reliable delivery (AD comment)

["Glen Zorn \(gwz\)" <gwz at cisco.com>]

Bernard Aboba <mailto:aboba at internaut.com> allegedly scribbled on
Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:26 PM:

>> My conclusion (based upon the actual text of the relevant RFCs rather
>> than anecdotal evidence regarding "well-behaved" RADIUS
>> implementations)
> 
> RFC 2865 already recommends behavior that prevents out-of-order
> delivery. 

Actually, it doesn't.  As I have pointed out repeatedly , the semantics
of the Identifier in RADIUS & EAP are identical.  

> A proposal to strengthen that to a MUST is on the table.  From what I
> can tell, this resolves the issue for RADIUS. 
> 
>> that "well-behaved" EAP implementations do NOT require duplicate
>> detection in the transport any more than do "well-behaved" RADIUS
>> implementations.
> 
> The difference between RFC 3748 and 2865 is that 3748 does not
> recommend a duplicate cache of substantial duration.  

Hmm.  I don't really consider "a short period of time" to convey any
meaningful sense of duration; in any case, see below.

> That makes a
> difference if a duplicate is intermingled with a new packet.  

I believe that the packet flow which I gave in an earlier message
illustrated that a timer-based algorithm is insufficient for duplicate
detection in both RADIUS and EAP if the identifier is allowed to simply
"change" between exchanges.  In fact, I think that timers are
unnecessary: all that is needed to solve the problem is to specify the
semantics of the Identifier to be those of a sequence number with
roll-over.  

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