Re: [radext] New DTLS document
"Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey@cisco.com> Tue, 07 May 2013 00:46 UTC
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From: "Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey@cisco.com>
To: Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [radext] New DTLS document
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On May 2, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On May 2, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> wrote: > >> Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>> I would be ok to remove Section 5.1.2 entirely. >> >> Which means that the rest of the document needs to be updated, too. >> It talks about accepting UDP and DTLS on the same port. Section 5.1.2 >> is only *justification* for why that works. The other sections say >> *how* it's supposed to work. >> >> i.e. Deleting 5.1.2 means we'd have to delete more than half of >> Section 3, too. > > That would be a side effect of this approach. However, most folks > (including me) seems to be okish keeping the current text as well. > So it would be Joe's voice that counts here now. > [Joe] So, I don't see any description as to how the transition mechanism allows transition to the new port. Without this it seems its not really a transition mechanism but something that is intended to be around for a while. So I think we either need to define how to actually transition or fix the mechanism. > >>> However, if WG wants to keep >>> Section 5.1.2 I would add a note there that it is intended to be a short term >>> migration solution and can be turned off at some point of time. Implementations >>> and deployments are encouraged to switch to the RADIUS-DTLS port as soon as >>> possible. Would that be OK for the WG? >> >> I already added that in the latest rev. See Section 3: >> >> This section describes how clients and servers should transition to >> DTLS. There is a fair amount of discussion around this transition, >> as it is critical to get it correct. We expect that once >> implementations have transitioned to RADIUS/DTLS, the text in this >> section will no longer be relevant. >> >> If we're just going to turn off UDP, we don't need any transition >> path. We just break the network, and let everyone figure out what to do. >> >> The whole point of the text in Section 3 is to document how the >> transition path is handled. Including (if so desired) accepting UDP and >> DTLS on the same port. >> >> I can add duplicate text in Section 5.1.2. But the idea is for people >> to read the *entire* document, and act on it as a whole. > > No need to duplicate. A pointer back to Section 3 would definitely > suffice. > > - Jouni > > >> >> Alan DeKok. >
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document jouni korhonen
- [radext] New DTLS document Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Sam Hartman
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Sam Hartman
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Alan DeKok
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [radext] New DTLS document Stig Venaas
- [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document - a… Jouni Korhonen
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Peter Deacon
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Jim Schaad
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Diego R. Lopez
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Stig Venaas
- Re: [radext] A way forward with the DTLS document… Jouni Korhonen