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Re: [RAI] SIPit 24 summary
It should also be remembered that the implementations represented at a SIPit session are probably not a statistically valid sample from the complete SIP implementation population.
While the results of the survey are extremely useful, they are bounded.
regards
Keith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rai-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces at ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert Sparks
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:00 PM
> To: James M. Polk
> Cc: rai at ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [RAI] SIPit 24 summary
>
> No problem with the question - I've tried to describe this
> process in previous reports.
>
> I used an automated survey tool for awhile, and listed lots
> of RFCs/ drafts to help find when something started to emerge
> into implementation space.
> The problem that I ran into was that the lists got long
> enough that people would quit responding (or at a minimum
> complain mightily).
> I also discovered that I either had to leave an "I don't
> know" answer or allow leaving the question blank (which would
> get the majority) or folks who couldn't get the answer
> quickly would make something up so they could finish the survey.
> Further, there was a measurable problem with people assuming
> they knew what a draft was from its name (figuring out who
> implements draft-ietf- sip-outbound from those who could just
> configure outbound proxies sometimes takes pointed questions).
>
> So for the last few events, I've gone back to a manual survey
> based on a short list of questions tuned by what people are
> asking about and where the edges were at recent events.
> I _should_ have asked about History-Info this time, but
> didn't (an unintentional omission).
>
> For future events, if there's a particular draft people are
> interested in asking about, doing so on-list about the time
> registration for the event closes would be very helpful.
>
> RjS
>
>
> On May 26, 2009, at 2:45 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
>
> > Which begs the question, Robert - (and I'm not evaluating
> you - just
> > wanting to know):
> >
> > Do you (somehow) list all the SIP (and related) RFCs on some
> > questionnaire that participants fill out stating which they have
> > implemented part or all of?
> >
> > I understand the information you have gotten us, which is
> great, and
> > am curious about the non-mainstream RFCs we have that may be not
> > being reported because they aren't asked about.
> >
> > Also, I can understand if this fact finding would make it too
> > cumbersome or somehow untrustworthy in the data reported.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > James
> >
> > At 11:53 AM 5/26/2009, Francois Audet wrote:
> >> We do know that there is a significant number of commercial
> >> implementations of History-Info however.
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: rai-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces at ietf.org] On
> >> > Behalf Of Robert Sparks
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 08:10
> >> > To: Dean Willis
> >> > Cc: rai at ietf.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [RAI] SIPit 24 summary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On May 24, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Dean Willis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > On May 21, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> SIPit 24 was hosted by JPNIC and NICT the week of May
> >> > 18-22, 2009 in
> >> > >> Akihabara, Tokyo, Japan.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for the report. Did we get a sense of support for
> >> > History-
> >> > > Info?
> >> >
> >> > I didn't see any History-Info at the event at all. (But I
> >> > didn't ask team-by-team).
> >> > Note that we had fewer proxies than usual, and some of the
> >> > known-to- have-HI implementations were not present.
> >> > Not as precise an answer as I would like, but its safe to say
> >> > that implementation of History-Info is not pervasive at
> this point.
> >> >
> >> > RjS
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Dean
> >> > >
> >> >
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