RE: [Raven] And it ought to be remembered that there is...

["chefren" <chefren@pi.net>]

On 13 Apr 00, at 9:44, Christian Price wrote:

> Within the sphere of western liberal reasoning Machiavelli is quite contrary
> to the values held.

Values we WANT to held. Machiavelly was a realist...

> Inevitably his philosophies leave us with the assumption
> that man is a corrupt beast incapable of aspiring to a
> higher calling. 

Unfortunately but right, that's why we have law-enforcement 
as an integral part of our society.


> How fitting it is that a proponet of tappable encryption

You ar NOT talking about =me=, I'm for strong encryption 
with quality control and laws that demand it for 
communication providers.  

> should quote a master of enslavement such as Machiavelli
> - and guise it in terms of freedom. 

Please! at least TRY to understand what I try to explain to 
you...

> Great leaders have always fiercly defended the goodness of man, never
> propped up his weaknesses.


I have no intention to be a leader,

+++chefren


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