[Raven] Flames ending in Fireworks to mark the end of Raven?

["chefren" <chefren@pi.net>]

Uh oh...

On 13 Apr 00, at 13:04, Matthew_G_Saroff@raytheon.com wrote:

>         Yes, you know of a number of societies in which the rights of the 
> society take absolute preference over the rights of the individual: 
> Stalin's Russia, The People's Republic of China, The Khemer Rouge 
> Cambodia, Nazi Germany, and (If Chefren is an indicator) the Netherlands.

(Matthew is a reasonable guy? Yes! thanks for not calling 
it "Chefren's Netherlands" or something like that.)



Hm, when I think of the maximum preferences above 
individual rights I think "death penalty" and "spying" 
immediately "The United States of America" come up in my 
mind. And not those 4 primitive and 1 innovating countries 
you mention.


Oh yes, your country "ensures" the rights of individuals 
with primitive means such as the Right to Bear Arms, wow! 
Pretty useless for your country and pretty bad for your 
citizens. Lot's of them end up murdered and lots of them 
end up jailed and some even murdered by The United States 
of America.


Unfortunately you exported the virtual equivalent of free 
arms, free use of encryption. Not only that, also the 
fallacy that there are no other choices to ensure privacy 
in a decent way.

It ends up with encryption being used by more and more 
criminals now and my pretty democratic and open country has 
to come up with means for law enforcement that are nothing 
less than disgusting.

Technically no problem, my country can shop for the 
necessary tools in your country that has honed the skills 
to supervise citizens...

+++chefren


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