RE: [Raven] And it ought to be remembered that there is...

["chefren" <chefren@pi.net>]

On 13 Apr 00, at 16:19, Matthew G Saroff wrote:

> chefren wrote:
> > 
> > And who is going to pay for that "as expensive and
> > difficult as possible"???
> > 
> > You and me!
> 	And who do you think is going to pay (on a slightly deeper level than a
> tax bill) when the police leave us without enough space to be ourselves,

The police can't leave us with much space if the only way 
to circumvent the free use of encryption is to place bugs 
in our homes.

> or sell the information to telemarketers? (Don't laugh, that's how the
> dial phone got invented).

I hope your country starts understanding European privacy 
laws and copies them as soon as possible...


> 	You and me.
> 	If there is anything that we know about the real world, it is that if
> law enforcement does not like you,

Sigh. Excesses of a few primitive people serving law 
enforcement are largely overblown as far as I see it.

> they will dig until they find something.

As far as I know law enforcement in The Netherlands doesn't 
start researching you if they haven't any serious 
indication about serious crimes committed by you.

Economy is certainly a part of that decision.

>  Everyone has broken the law in some way or another.

OK

> 	Do you really want Kenneth Star having access to all your personal
> communications?

You Macho-American's are so DAMNED EXTREME, what Kenneth 
Star did is totally unthinkable here.

The privacy of citizen Clinton has been abused as much as I 
can think of.

Lot's of totally inaproriate questions and total 
irrelevance. If someone asks somthing that's definitely 
private it's equally not inapropriate to lie.

(Above you stated that everone has broken the law in some 
way or another. What would be reasonable if I asked you for 
an example and proof? What happened to Mr Clinton whas very 
very primitive and cheap.)


> If you take a look at the actions and attitudes of
> professionals in law enforcement, you will find him to
> be more the rule than the exception. 


I strongly object to this unrespectful, simplistic and 
even untruthful view on people that in general can be 
described as pretty altruistic and happy to serve community 
in a very serious and somethimes quite risky way.

+++chefren


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