Re: [Raven] Flames ending in Fireworks to mark the end of Raven?

["Richard Payne" <rcp@gfpx.com>]

Confusing needs and wants is supposed to be the prerogative of economists,
isn't it?

To say "Law enforcement needs to do X" is, since only individuals have needs
and wants, shorthand for "Some people in some law enforcement agencies want
to do X". That they want to do X, perhaps with good intentions, does not
prove that X is a good thing, that they can constitutionally do X, or that
threats along the lines of "let me do X or I'll do something even worse" are
justified.

Richard Payne

----- Original Message -----
From: chefren <chefren@pi.net>
To: <raven@ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Raven] Flames ending in Fireworks to mark the end of Raven?


> On 14 Apr 00, at 9:45, Richard Payne wrote:
>
> > In the ongoing (and probably pointless) task of attempting to debug
> > ch*fr*n's worldview, a few points:
>
>
> Pointless is an RFC that doesn't serve a solution for a
> real problem.
>
>
> The real problem is that free encryption brings the need
> for law enforcement to circumvent it.
>
> For example by placing bugs, something far more intrusive
> and Big Brother than other solutions that do exist for the
> privacy we all want.
>
> +++chefren
>
>
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