Re: [Raven] Flames ending in Fireworks to mark the end of Raven?

[Ed Stone <estone@synernet.com>]

At 01:00 PM 4/14/2000 , you wrote:
>Confusing needs and wants is supposed to be the prerogative of economists,
>isn't it?
>
>To say "Law enforcement needs to do X" is, since only individuals have needs
>and wants, shorthand for "Some people in some law enforcement agencies want
>to do X". That they want to do X, perhaps with good intentions, does not
>prove that X is a good thing, that they can constitutionally do X, or that
>threats along the lines of "let me do X or I'll do something even worse" are
>justified.

Well said

And an argument of "let me do X, or I will do X^2" would be a method of 
force, not a method of reason....


>Richard Payne
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: chefren <chefren@pi.net>
>To: <raven@ietf.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [Raven] Flames ending in Fireworks to mark the end of Raven?
>
>
> > On 14 Apr 00, at 9:45, Richard Payne wrote:
> >
> > > In the ongoing (and probably pointless) task of attempting to debug
> > > ch*fr*n's worldview, a few points:
> >
> >
> > Pointless is an RFC that doesn't serve a solution for a
> > real problem.
> >
> >
> > The real problem is that free encryption brings the need
> > for law enforcement to circumvent it.
> >
> > For example by placing bugs, something far more intrusive
> > and Big Brother than other solutions that do exist for the
> > privacy we all want.
> >
> > +++chefren
> >
> >
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