Re: [Raven] Dear Richard,

[Ed Stone <estone@synernet.com>]

At 07:29 PM 4/14/2000 , you wrote:
>On 14 Apr 00, at 13:00, Richard Payne wrote:
>
> > Confusing needs and wants is supposed to be the prerogative of economists,
> > isn't it?
> >
> > To say "Law enforcement needs to do X" is, since only individuals have 
> needs
> > and wants, shorthand for "Some people in some law enforcement agencies want
> > to do X". That they want to do X, perhaps with good intentions, does not
> > prove that X is a good thing, that they can constitutionally do X, or that
> > threats along the lines of "let me do X or I'll do something even 
> worse" are
> > justified.
>
>
>
>Dear Richard,
>
>As someone else noticed we are writing quite some time
>here. Not really a year but in Internet time almost some
>years.
>
>Hasn't it come up to you that all your serious, respectable
>and even pretty exact interpolations don't fit to what has
>happened during Raven in the real world?
>
>
>I think the Wall Street Journal article about the NSA chief
>today clearly pointed at two main misassumptions. Your law-
>enforcement/inteligence services do tap and bug American
>citizens and they do it under strict rules and the scale
>isn't frightning at all compared to the attacked problems.


Chefren certainly has the right to focus his concern on "crime hiding in 
the population. Others certainly have the right to focus their concerns on 
"crime hiding in  the government, in law enforcement, in loss of privacy, 
in a surveillance state, and in great accumulations of power accellerated 
by cheap, instant, ubiquitous wiretapping....
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Ed Stone
estone@synernet.com
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