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Subject: [Raven] Off topic: Apologies: Vacation spaming
From: Marc Mausch <marc.mausch@gruene.de>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:56:13 +0200
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  You need to be more careful with your holiday email forwarding. 
  It has caused annoyance to many many people for weeks now.

To all those subscribers who definitly do know now that I was on holiday:
I am really very sorry for that. I didn't exclude that list from the auto-reply.

[On the other hand: In my opinion, a reply-to should never be a whole list.
My program simply replied to that address which was it told to be the sender. ]

Forgive!

Best regards,

Marc Mausch

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200
Subject: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs
Hallo,
dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort.
Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich
die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten.
Mit vielen Grüßen,
Marc Mausch
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "P.J. Ponder" <ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
To: raven@ietf.org
Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
(for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the
US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock
trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition
and to protect the innocent investing public.)
http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499
SEC Creating Web Surveillance
03:55EST
By MARCY GORDON
AP Business Writer
03/29/00
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for
phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated
surveillance system to search Web sites and message
boards for investment fraud.
But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because
the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system
might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the
Internet.
The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
largest accounting and consulting firms.
< . . . . >
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From: Ted Gavin <tedgavin@bellatlantic.net>
To: raven@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500
Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc.
Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
[snip...]
>http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499
>
>SEC Creating Web Surveillance
>03:55EST
>
>By MARCY GORDON
>AP Business Writer
>03/29/00
>
>[snip...]
>
>The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
>equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
>planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
>privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
>largest accounting and consulting firms.
It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a
firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical
practices" in its Independent Auditing function.
Ted
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:04:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "P.J. Ponder" <ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
To: raven@ietf.org
Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd)
Can someone who speaks German contact this person and let him or her know
that their auto-responder is copying the list itself (raven@ietf.org) with
all of it's outgoing messages?
I tried, and got back an auto-reply in German....
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:21:14 +0200
From: marc.mausch@gruene.de
To: ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us
Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs
Hallo,
dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort.
Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich
die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten.
Mit vielen Grüßen,
Marc Mausch
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Marc,
you appear to have the auto-reply function copying the Raven list itself.
If you want to create a digest, that is good, but do you think it should
be automatically sent to all the subscribers, whether they have asked for
it or not?
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pj
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 marc.mausch@gruene.de wrote:
> Hallo,
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> Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich
> die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten.
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> Mit vielen Gr=FC=DFen,
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> Marc Mausch
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<marc.mausch@gruene.de>;
> Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:48:55 +0200
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST)
> From: "P.J. Ponder" <ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
> To: raven@ietf.org
> Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
>=20
> (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is th=
e
> US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock
> trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition
> and to protect the innocent investing public.)
>=20
>=20
> http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D16=
42499
>=20
> SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20
> 03:55EST=20
>=20
> By MARCY GORDON
> AP Business Writer=20
> 03/29/00=20
>=20
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for
> phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated
> surveillance system to search Web sites and message
> boards for investment fraud.=20
>=20
> But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because
> the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system
> might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the
> Internet.=20
>=20
> The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> largest accounting and consulting firms.=20
>=20
> < . . . . >
>=20
>=20
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> Message: 2
> From: Ted Gavin <tedgavin@bellatlantic.net>
> To: raven@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500
> Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc.
> Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net
>=20
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
>=20
> [snip...]
>=20
> >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D1=
642499
> >
> >SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20
> >03:55EST=20
> >
> >By MARCY GORDON
> >AP Business Writer=20
> >03/29/00=20
> >
> >[snip...]
> >
> >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> >largest accounting and consulting firms.=20
>=20
> It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a
> firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical
> practices" in its Independent Auditing function.
>=20
> Ted
>=20
>=20
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