Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator
"Richard Shockey" <richard@shockey.us> Sat, 02 February 2013 01:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator
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+1 http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/dro/cvaa.html I hope you enjoy being amateur telecom lawyers. Some of us are getting pretty good at it. From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Aboba Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:55 PM To: Gunnar Hellstrom; rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator While we didn't go into it in any depth in the document, there does seem to be a distinction between scenarios in which the application developer has little control over the endpoint (e.g. bring your own device), versus scenarios in which the application developer has some say or influence on what the capabilities of the endpoints are. In the former case, the application may have to function even in a browser environment where WebRTC is not available, whereas in the latter case, the application developer can ensure that a set of required capabilities are available. The "telephony terminal" case seems more in the latter category than the former. For example, a vendor developing a "telephony terminal" could choose the browser they wanted to embed in the device, and might even have access to the browser source code, so as to be able to add codecs and other capabilities. In that case, the performance and extensibility of the code base will be an important consideration, since that will determine how much work will be involved to add capabilities and what the options are for accomplishing this (e.g. native code required vs. Javascript). _____ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 01:13:52 +0100 From: gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se To: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator It is easy to imagine applications of WebRTC where the users will not have any expectation that they could use it for emergency services. E.g. a web page only providing access to a specific company's customer service. So, each application does not need to provide this access. However, the platform has apparent ambitions to be possible to use for telephony like applications, with an opportunity to call by address or number, E.g <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-and-requirements-10# section-4.3.1> 4.3.1. Telephony terminal In at least that case, there will be an expectation from users, and a requirement from regulators in many countries to be able to provide emergency service access. So, the topic belongs here in some way. I withdrew it from the total conversation addition, because it is a general function. I hope it will be possible to find a suitable place and general wording for it, and there indicate that it is valid for all media, including audio, video and real-time text. Gunnar _____ Gunnar Hellström Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se +46708204288 On 2013-02-02 00:28, Bernard Aboba wrote: With regulations in flux, it is not easy to predict the extent of the obligation, beyond what exists for an "interconnected VoIP" service today. For example, we have a text to 911 proceeding ongoing as well as quite a few others. In order to examine what the Issues might be, Martin and I put together the following document: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aboba-rtcweb-ecrit Comments welcome. On Feb 1, 2013, at 14:44, "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com> wrote: Can you explain this? I suspect that you have a specific meaning, but as I read it, it sounds like "I see no objection if WebRTC does not interwork with emergency services." If WebRTC does not interwork with emergency services, the regulators will crush it. Dale _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Gunnar Hellstrom
- [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Martin Thomson
- [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-an… Bernard Aboba
- [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-cases-an… Bernard Aboba
- [rtcweb] 2119 language in requirements (Re: Revie… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Mary Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- [rtcweb] Wiretapping (Re: Review of draft-ietf-rt… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Barry Dingle
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Review of draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-case… Stefan Håkansson LK
- [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review of dr… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Emil Ivov
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Barry Dingle
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Burger Eric
- Re: [rtcweb] Playing regulator Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… John Leslie
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Dan Wing
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Richard Barnes
- Re: [rtcweb] Revealing IP addresses (Re: Review o… Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE)
- Re: [rtcweb] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-rtcweb-use-… Magnus Westerlund