[saag] for your comments Internet draft

["DB" <dbernard at ozonline.com.au>]

I dont know how this works, but could this be included in your next agenda?
I need your inputs and comments,

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-d-sec-udt-00


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>   1. Re: A question about AES properties... (bcn at ISI.EDU)
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> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:49:37 -0700
> From: bcn at ISI.EDU
> Subject: Re: [saag] A question about AES properties...
> To: Ken Raeburn <raeburn at MIT.EDU>
> Cc: John Border <John.Border at hughes.com>, "saag at ietf.org"
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> Quoting Ken Raeburn <raeburn at MIT.EDU>:
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> > On Oct 15, 2009, at 15:56, John Border wrote:
> > >     I have what I thought was a simple question about the properties
> > > of AES.  But, I have not been able to find an answer.  Possibly that
> > > means the question itself is flawed (but I haven?t been able to
> > > figure that out either)?
> > >
> > >    With AES, does the order of the functions matter, i.e. does
> > > EK(DK(P)) = DK(EK(P))?
>
> As Ken responded, if the plaintext is a multiple of the block size, 
> because EK
> and DK are inverses, the result is the identity function, so the answer to 
> the
> above is that the order does not make a difference.
>
> BUT, I expect what you might have been trying to ask is whether 
> EK1(DK2(P)) =
> DK2(EK1(P)), i.e. your question above, but using two different keys.  In 
> this
> case, the analyses is not as simple, and I would guess that the answer is 
> that
> no they are not the same.  But I could be wrong.  You should be able to 
> verify
> the "NO" answer with a simple experiment.
>
> Clifford Neuman
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