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I understand those related to cellular (2.5g 3g etc) network, where
network architecture is well defined. ie. crossing SGSN, do a inter-SGSN
routing area update (something like paging update), crossing Routing Area,
do a intra-sgsn update, etc.
What I would like to find out is that, how we define the paging area in
IP, in general, where the network topology can be aribitary.
&amp;gt; You can define your own layer 3 paging areas..{ A IP paging protocol can define
&amp;gt; it...}
So, I'll take the answer as &quot;You can define however you like if you can
justify it, b'cos there's no standard at the moment&quot;. Is that right?
Thanks everyone for pointer. I've read some of them, and will read the
rest that I haven't came across.
Cheers,
Karann
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; Karann Chew wrote:
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Hi,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Layer 2 paging area is the area in which a MN can move in the access network
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; without making any network updates.(Known as routing area in GSM)
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Layer 3 paging area is the area in which MN can move (possibly across multple
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; L2 paging areas) without making any additional paging IP
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; registrations(of Mobile IP).{ A
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; concept, applicable to 3G and 4G
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; networks, MN's IP address can change due to change in the IP subnet }
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Yes, I understand that. Let me make my question clearer - suppose I have
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; 100s of access point laid in a city, and want to group them into different
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; PA, how do I do that? How do I define the PA among them? Based on
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; traffic analysis? Cell coverage? Or any IP-specific mechanism?
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; By the way, may I have a copy of your draft please?
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Cheers,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Karann
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; You can read my Internet Draft on aprotocol for IP paging
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Link aided host alerting protocol
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Hope this helps,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Sridhar Gurivireddy.
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Kar Ann Chew wrote:
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Hi,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; A simple question - How should Paging Areas be defined in IP network?
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Most of the paging proposals mention how to detect change of PA, and
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; procedure of updating related entities, but not on how a PA is defined?.
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Anyone, any pointers/advice on how to make paging area definition? Or we
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; can simply leave is to cell planning people?
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Cheers,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Karann
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Karann Chew
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Mobile Communications Research Group
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Centre for Communication Systems Research
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