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as for as I know neither is possible. (maybe I am wrong).

if an ISP wants context tranfer between two routers,
let it allocate public addresses for both.

Vijay


"Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)" wrote:
> 
> Hi Vijay,
> 
> two comments:
> - we are considering IPV4 as well IPV6, which brings naturally private
> address spaces into play. As long as we are not considering entirely
> public routers, any solution has to deal with this problem, which
> therefore
> makes it a requirement.
> 
> - It's certainly debatable that it makes a solution 'very complicated',
> in particular since I don't know what kind of 'measure' you applied
> for your statement. However, I'm sure that every requirement on its own
> makes the overall solution more complicated (this is certainly true for
> some others on the list of requirements). However, removing requirements
> 
> just for the sake of making life easier doesn't seem to be the right
> way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dirk
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; From: Vijay Devarapalli [&amp;lt;A  HREF=&amp;quot;&lt;a  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&amp;quot&quot";>mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&amp;quot&quot</a>;&gt;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&amp;quot";>mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&amp;quot</a>&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;gt;&lt;a  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&quot";>mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com&quot</a>;&gt;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com";>mailto:vijayd@IPRG.nokia.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;/A&amp;gt;]
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:41 PM
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; To: Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Cc: Govind Krishnamurthi; seamoby@ietf.org
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Seamoby] CAR DiscoveryProtocol Requirements...
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; how about &amp;quot;it makes the CAR discovery protocol very
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; complicated&amp;quot;.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; and tell me why its there in the first place..
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; all other requirements are fine.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Vijay
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;quot;Trossen Dirk (NRC/Boston)&amp;quot; wrote:
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Hi,
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; is there any specific reason why you want to remove private
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; address space considerations?
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Regards,
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Dirk
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; -----Original Message-----
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; From: ext Vijay Devarapalli [&amp;lt;A  HREF=&amp;quot;&lt;a  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&amp;quot&quot";>mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&amp;quot&quot</a>;&gt;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&amp;quot";>mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&amp;quot</a>&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;gt;&lt;a  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&quot";>mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com&quot</a>;&gt;<a  rel="nofollow" href="mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com";>mailto:vijayd@iprg.nokia.com</a>&lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;/A&amp;gt;]
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:34 PM
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; To: Govind Krishnamurthi
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Cc: seamoby@ietf.org
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Subject: Re: [Seamoby] CAR DiscoveryProtocol Requirements...
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; hi all,
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Govind Krishnamurthi wrote:
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Hello all,
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; To add to James' mail. Please let us know if any of these
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; requirements need to be modified or whether any other
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; requirements
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; are needed.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Regards,
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Govind.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;         REQUIREMENTS FOR CAR DISCOVERY PROTOCOLS
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;1. MUST translate L2 Ids (APs and ARs) to L3 Ids of ARs
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;2. MUST support L2 devices of different technologies
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;3. MUST support for L2 devices (and ARs) in
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; private/site-local spaces
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Remove 3. everything else is fine.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Vijay
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;4. MUST communicate capability information between GAARs
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; in a secure and
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;reliable manner
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;5. MUST use standard format for capabilities..
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;  and this is TBD
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;6. Protocol applicability - SHOULD (show of hands
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; indicated that a MUST
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;is needed here) support inter-domain as well as
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; Intra-domain scope
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;7. MUST NOT introduce network elements dedicated to
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; CAR discovery.
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;8. SHOULD minimize involvement of ARs which are not
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; GAARs in CAR
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;discovery
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;9. MUST NOT depend on a particular mobility management protocol
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt;
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