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- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;cc&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: James Kempf &amp;lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com"><a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com">kempf@docomolabs-usa.com</a></a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com"><a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com">kempf@docomolabs-usa.com</a></a>&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt;, Marco Liebsch &amp;lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de"><a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de">Marco.Liebsch@ccrle.nec.de</a></a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de"><a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de">Marco.Liebsch@ccrle.nec.de</a></a>&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt;, Seamoby &amp;lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org"><a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org">seamoby@ietf.org</a></a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org"><a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org">seamoby@ietf.org</a></a>&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;date&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:53:34 -0500&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Yoshihiro Ohba &amp;lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:yohba%40tari.toshiba.com"><a href="mailto:yohba%40tari.toshiba.com">yohba@tari.toshiba.com</a></a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:yohba%40tari.toshiba.com"><a href="mailto:yohba%40tari.toshiba.com">yohba@tari.toshiba.com</a></a>&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
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- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;list-id&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting &amp;lt;seamoby.ietf.org&amp;gt;&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;mail-followup-to&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Behcet Sarikaya &amp;lt;<a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com"><a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com">behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com</a></a>&amp;gt;,James Kempf &amp;lt;<a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com"><a href="mailto:kempf%40docomolabs-usa.com">kempf@docomolabs-usa.com</a></a>&amp;gt;,Marco Liebsch &amp;lt;<a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de"><a href="mailto:Marco.Liebsch%40ccrle.nec.de">Marco.Liebsch@ccrle.nec.de</a></a>&amp;gt;,Seamoby &amp;lt;<a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org"><a href="mailto:seamoby%40ietf.org">seamoby@ietf.org</a></a>&amp;gt;&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
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- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;subject&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Re: [Seamoby] proposal on next steps in paging&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
- <li><em><li><em>&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt;</em></em>: Behcet Sarikaya &amp;lt;&lt;A HREF=&quot;mailto:<a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com"><a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com">behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com</a></a>&quot;&gt;<a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com"><a href="mailto:behcet.sarikaya%40alcatel.com">behcet.sarikaya@alcatel.com</a></a>&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/LI&gt;</li></li>
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&amp;gt; areas. In here paging triggers can prove useful. L2 paging areas can
&amp;gt; probably be better utilized with the help of paging triggers.
&amp;gt; On links with no L2 paging areas we must define L3 paging areas. L3 paging
&amp;gt; areas must be IP subnet based. We must define how to interface, configure
&amp;gt; L3 paging areas. Paging triggers can have some limited use here.
&amp;gt; Paging Agent. Paging agent is placed somewhere in the Internet. It
&amp;gt; interacts with DMA and then takes care of paging. Therefore the paging
&amp;gt; agent behaviour can be defined based on the paging areas (L2 or L3).
&amp;gt; TA- tracks the mobility in dormant mode. In case of L3 paging areas, TA
&amp;gt; must be on the subnet. In case of L2 paging areas TA becomes less
&amp;gt; important.
&amp;gt; We may develop an architecture document before going on the details of
&amp;gt; the protocol in an ununderstandable rush. Once we have the architecture, I
&amp;gt; think that the protocol design will follow smoothly and will deal with the
&amp;gt; PDUs and on-link support for dormant mode and time-slot based paging and so
&amp;gt; on..
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; Regards,
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; James Kempf wrote:
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Behcet,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; There is a very important issue with the way paging protocol
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; assessment
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; was concluded, i.e. one of the candidate proposals was not eliminated
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; in a
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; way which is not acceptable. As I said in one of my previous emails,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; the
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; assessment result is moot.
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I do not we can proceed without this issue being resolved
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; satisfactorily.
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; I had taken from your previous email response on this topic that you
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; were
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; willing to work with Marco and the working group to assure
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; that the Seamoby protocol reflected the work in
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; draft-guri-seamboy-lahap-00.txt,
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; which I presume is the source your discontent. And also to work with
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; me and whoever else is interested in moving toward finding an IETF home
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; for
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; the L2 trigger work on paging which you've been doing. However, it now
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; seems that this is not the case.
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; What do you consider satisfactory resolution?
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; jak
&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; _______________________________________________
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Seamoby mailing list
&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Seamoby@ietf.org
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&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; --
&amp;gt; Behcet
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt;
&amp;gt; _______________________________________________
&amp;gt; Seamoby mailing list
&amp;gt; Seamoby@ietf.org
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