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Re: AW: [Sip] B2BUA

Hi Folks,

Let's please leave this flame war for the IEPREP mailing list, ok ;-)

thanks,
-rohan


On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 05:45 AM, Liebhart Rainer wrote:
Henry,

unfortunately you are comparing apples and pears when stating that the telecom service failed for days after Sept 11, while Internet traffic continued smoothly. The mentioned "telefon service" consists of thousands of (real-time) calls to emergency centres while the Internet traffic consists mainly of requests to the Web pages of CNN and others (with bad response times) to retrieve *information* on the status of the catastrophe.

Rainer


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Pete Cordell [mailto:pete@tech-know-ware.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2002 13:25
An: Henry Sinnreich
Cc: sip@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [Sip] B2BUA


Henry,

The Internet has had a few famous outages as well. Besides, if all the
telco traffic was put over IP, with today's level of QoS on the Internet, it
would have been brought to its knees also.

To say that one is all goodness and light and the other all evil doesn't do
us as a community any good as when customers find out there are problems
they tend not to believe anything else we say!

Only vapourware is flawless. Most people know that. Respect the
intelligence of your customer, or they will find somebody that does!!!

Pete.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Sinnreich" <Henry.Sinnreich@wcom.com>
To: "'Phil Reynolds'" <preynolds@ridgewaysystems.com>; <sip@ietf.org>
Sent: 04 December 2002 19:02
Subject: RE: [Sip] B2BUA


The telecoms people are clever enough to have thought
about that and build redundancy, fault tolerance and failover into
their switches.

This has proven unfortunately not to be the case on September 11 when
telecom service failed for days, while Internet traffic continued
smoothly. I suggest you to look at the central control model of the
switch network versus the e2e architecture of the Internet. SIP enabled
networks are also fully distributed and the e2e control principle
maintained - that's why state in placed in SIP endpoints.

I am not sure if a few words here can give full justice to the superior
resilience of the Internet and to SIP enabled services,...

Thanks, Henry

-----Original Message-----
From: sip-admin@ietf.org [mailto:sip-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:37 AM
To: sip@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Sip] B2BUA


If a telephone switch crashes you loose all calls... The telecoms
people are clever enough to have thought about that and build
redundancy, fault tolerance and failover into their switches.
Maybe some of us IP-telecoms people have thought of similar techniques
for SIP intermediaries?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jiri Kuthan [mailto:jiri.kuthan@fokus.fraunhofer.de]
Sent: 04 December 2002 12:32
To: Christian Huitema; Roy, Radhika R, ALASO; mbarnes@nortelnetworks.com

Cc: dean.willis@softarmor.com; Juan-Carlos.Rojas@alcatel.fr;
sip@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Sip] B2BUA
[...snip...]
I think there are more issues with B2BUA. A B2BUA's failure affects all
current calls :-(
-Jiri
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