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RE: [Sip] NOTIFY establishes a dialog
I don't think you have accurately my questions.
The spec says once a dialog is established, you cannot change the route-set. A 180 establishes a dialog, so my assumption is that the 200 ok record-route headers are ignored.
The same goes for NOTIFY (by the way, 200 for SUBSCRIBE in going in the same direction as NOTIFY, not crossing on the wire). NOTIFY establishes a dialog and therefore the route-set delivered in the NOTIFY is lost. Your conclusions below break the rule where a route-set cannot be changed once a dialog has been established.
/Hisham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Arunachalam Venkatraman [mailto:arunvenk@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:47 AM
> To: Khartabil Hisham (NMP/Helsinki); sip@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Sip] NOTIFY establishes a dialog
>
>
> Hisham
> The reason the Record_Route headers must be sent on the 200
> is that the 1xx
> is not guaranteed to be delivered, unless they are sent reliably.
>
> I think in the context of the Notify crossing the 200, the
> arrival of the
> 200 will establish the Route set for future requests. Each transaction
> completes independently.
>
> I am copying in a old message on this subject from the sip
> list below that
> you may find useful - (I think it would have been useful to
> state this in
> the RFC3261).
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arunachalam Venkatraman [mailto:arunvenk@cisco.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:39 PM
> > To: sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu
> > Cc: Jonathan Rosenberg
> > Subject: Replace Contact in Route set ?
> >
> > As per the protocol, the Contact header is added to the end
> of the Route
> header.
> >
> > Suppose a Record-Route was first received in a message with
> a Contact C1.
> > The UA has built a route set with the Contact C1 at the
> bottom of the
> Route.
> >
> > If the next request to the UA has a new Contact C2, should
> C1 in the Route
> Set be replaced
> > with C2?
> >
>
> Yes. And if there was no Contact, don't change anything.
>
> Note that if the next request has new record-routes, those do
> NOT update the
> existing route sets.
>
> -Jonathan R.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sip-admin@ietf.org [mailto:sip-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> hisham.khartabil@nokia.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: sip@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Sip] NOTIFY establishes a dialog
>
>
> I have a few related questions/comments:
>
> - A 180 response to a request (like INVITE) establishes a
> dialog. This 180
> response carries record-route headers and therefore sets the
> route-set. The
> 200 response to the request might also carry record-route headers. The
> dialog transitions to confirmed state, but I assume the
> route-set does not
> get updated using the record-route headers in the 200
> response since the
> dialog is established already. Is this a correct assumption?
> should the UAS
> send record-route headers at all in the 200 if it sent a 1xx already?
>
> Should there be a mandate that 1xx and 2xx response carry the same
> record-route headers? You would assume that this happens
> naturally at the
> UAS, but proxies may play around with the record-route headers.
>
> - In the NOTIFY problem below, the NOTIFY establishes the
> dialog, but does
> not carry record-route headers. If the same assumption is
> made as above, the
> record-route headers appearing in the 200 response to the
> SUBSCRIBE are
> ignored since the dialog is in established state. Isn't this
> a problem? the
> route-set is lost.
>
> I appreciate some clarifications.
>
> Regards,
> Hisham
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext hisham.khartabil@nokia.com
> > [mailto:hisham.khartabil@nokia.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:37 PM
> > To: sip@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Sip] NOTIFY establishes a dialog
> >
> >
> > In RFC3265, it is mentioned that NOTIFY can certainly
> > establish a dialog if it arrives before the 200 of a
> > SUBSCRIBE. What happens when the 200 for the SUBSCRIBE now
> > arrives with record-route headers? Does the route-set get
> > updated? (keeping in mind that the dialog is now in the
> > established state).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hisham
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